That is a very duplicitous statement.

We all bleed the same Gay or Straight. McCain is a two faced creep which I hate in my heart among the GOP's.

Not so sure? I mean there are many other concerns as well. For example.
When the military started to except women into their ranks (off base) meaning ships and forward positions. The military had to spend enormous amount of tax payer money to provide for separate accommodations.

So question?
Would the military also need to provide separate accommodations for, His, her, gay, lesbians ? What you think?

This country is still FUBAR on many issues !!

mainly thanks to the GOP and their fear and hate mongering ways !

Here's a fact for you all:

99% of American citizens could give a f (_) ck less about this entire conversation. This is nothing more than abortion, religion, and taxes - frivolous talk for politicians and stupid people who blindly support their preferred political party on any given topic.

If you're not in the military, you should have no care or input about this. If you're not showering with someone who is gay (and you are straight) then you should not have care or input on the topic.

Everyone else is just looking to argue with someone and be deemed the winner. Pure and simple. If you blame republicans, you're an idiot. If you blame democrats, you're an idiot. Blame yourselves for caring about a subject that in no way affects you, yet you put so much weight and importance on it because your political party tells you to.

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That's an odd attitude in a democracy which to be successful should have an informed citizenship. We should not discuss taxes because we are what? Going to be taxed anyway? Or we should not discuss abortion because if we need an abortion for a family member we can find one? That can only happen if the citizens continue to stay informed and coax our politicians to do the right thing and allow a woman the right to choose.

This topic, gays in the military is as you point out, not touching any one person personally but we should not discuss it? The fact that the the don't ask don't tell law is robbing our military of crucial personnel?

I have to disagree with you and hope that your opinion is never the rule of the day. When it is the citizenry of this democracy will no longer have a say in our government.

That would suck.

Sure, this discussion here does little to change anything but neither does one vote. Each discussion builds on another, each vote builds on another and we end up with Obama as President and not John McCain with Sarah Palin as VP.

I think the discussions and votes that caused that to happen were well worth it. I think any discussion which aids the removal of DADT is a very good thing. To say that only military personnel with a chance of taking a shower with a gay person is the only person who should be discussing it is just plain ludicrous.

The only people who should discuss the removal of the tax break on the ultra rich should be the ultra rich. Oh wait, that's what we had for eight years.

[edit] It isn't all left versus right. On this one I think it is time for Obama to kill the law.He can do it by himself. I think he sucks if he does not. See, it is not all left versus right. (OK, with DLC it is all Bush's fault).

Beat me to it, poly.

And I mean "beat" in a perfectly straight sense.

And by "straight" I mean . . . oh forget it.

Well without reading the posts below, my initial reaction is "Why shouldn't I care?"

It's unjust and IMO unAmerican... if gays want to serve, I don't care- let them, but if they're denied service based on myths and phobias - dammit I do care. Let them serve. IF I only cared about what affects me directly - that's pretty cold and selfish.. sorry I'm just not that kind of individual.
I care when anyone is wronged for BS reasons and conservative azzholes try to make demons out of them.

I have worked with many gays, both male and female, and they're no different that anyone else except for one thing and that didn't affect our interactions or productivity. Most of the ones I've met are very intelligent... maybe I've been very fortunate. SO it POs me that some neanderthals treat them different when it comes to service to this country. I believe they're being denied their rights as a citizen.

WoW - Poly

I have to say was well written.

Do you need to get a grip? Go make yourself useful and tell carp what irony is. I'm flummoxed which is not irony even though I am jack ass know it all. (It's a contradiction.)