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#534239 - 09/01/10 10:34 PM Re: Anyone else think this is Boosheet? [Re: garyW]
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FF doesn't come near to fully supporting HTML5.
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#534240 - 09/01/10 10:41 PM Re: Anyone else think this is Boosheet? [Re: MacBozo]
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Opening the ad in Safari is a different UI than in Firefox.

safari:



Firefox:

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#534266 - 09/02/10 02:26 AM Re: Anyone else think this is Boosheet? [Re: garyW]
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Maybe its just me
But them ads seems, really sexiest? Still peod about not being able to watch the keynote.
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#534280 - 09/02/10 06:26 AM Re: Anyone else think this is Boosheet? [Re: MacBozo]
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Well, HTML5 isn't officially out yet. It is still in working draft stage at W3C and it is still a long haul...
According to wiki it is estimated to reach the Candidate Recommendation in 2012 and even then there's still a step before becoming an official recommendation. wink

On one hand this may be good that Apple is pushing it to speed up the development, however OTOH, what is Mac's and /or Safari's market share? iPhones have a good chunk of smartphones in the States, but on the whole scale probably not enough to make a huge impact yet. Most users barely know what is HTML, let alone name any versions or tell the difference between XHTML Strict and XHTML Transitional.

Despite being a Mac user and a web designer, I won't bother doing any html 5 for a few years yet.
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#534288 - 09/02/10 11:38 AM Re: Anyone else think this is Boosheet? [Re: MicMeister]
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If you wait until HTML5 is official you will be way behind the curve. Look at when HTML1, 3 etc became "official" years after they were up and being used by everyone.

The iPhone has already made a dent in website usage on my sites and is going up rapidly and Android etc don't appear at all.

For better or worse Steve is calling the shots and I would stop learning Flash and start writing in HTML 5 today.

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#534292 - 09/02/10 11:57 AM Re: Anyone else think this is Boosheet? [Re: polymerase]
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Originally Posted By: polymerase
For better or worse Steve is calling the shots and I would stop learning Flash and start writing in HTML 5 today.


Didn't say I wouldn't learn html5. wink

But say I have a client whose customer base is mainly windows (and IE) -- which is the majority unfortunately -- I need to make the site accessible, standards-compliant, usable and so on for that user base. I'd kill my business in a heartbeat if I put up a website that only worked in Safari.

Now, if I were to do a site specifically for the Mac community -- or a client would want it specced that way, or it would be just an intranet solution for 100% Mac&Safari environment, it would be a different story. However, linking a site like that in portfolio would still be risky and might make me look bad, as just a tad under 50% of my site's visitors use windows. Mac portion is a tad above 50%. Still, even those figures can't be fully applied, as most of the visitor base on my site is a bit biased; peeps in the visual/digital/graphic field.

So that next Joe Smallbusiness with some loose cash for a new website coming to my site looking for my portfolio using IE on Windows might be disappointed and go elsewhere.

There is a reason for the W3C standards and complying to them. Just tell that to MSIE...fortunately Steve does push for HTML5, which is public, and not Apple-specific technologies. Otherwise, he'd be just as bad as MS with IE.
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#534300 - 09/02/10 01:39 PM Re: Anyone else think this is Boosheet? [Re: polymerase]
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Originally Posted By: polymerase
The iPhone has already made a dent in website usage on my sites and is going up rapidly and Android etc don't appear at all.


Hrmm, I don't know about that as Android supposedly passed iOS in web traffic back around May. Maybe not on your sites, but then you're not the entire US.
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#534306 - 09/02/10 03:37 PM Re: Anyone else think this is Boosheet? [Re: MicMeister]
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Originally Posted By: MicMeister

Despite being a Mac user and a web designer, I won't bother doing any html 5 for a few years yet.



Please view this demonstration:
http://newteevee.com/2010/08/31/video-flash-on-android-is-startlingly-bad/

John Guber's comment: "Same video I linked to from Ian Betteridge yesterday, but, watching it again today, what I notice isn’t just the appalling video frame rate (“seconds per frame, not frames per second”, as Tofel says), but also how drastically Flash content affects scrolling and touch events in the browser itself. Even before any Flash content is loaded, these web pages scroll with jaggy animation, and touch events don’t register immediately. Unresponsive scrolling and taps are unacceptable."


I think Jobs was right to move to HTML5 for iOS, but the interim carnage to websites will result in what we all just talked about with apple.com


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#534307 - 09/02/10 03:51 PM Re: Anyone else think this is Boosheet? [Re: SgtBaxter]
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Originally Posted By: polymerase
The iPhone has already made a dent in website usage on my sites and is going up rapidly and Android etc don't appear at all.


Hrmm, I don't know about that as Android supposedly passed iOS in web traffic back around May. Maybe not on your sites, but then you're not the entire US.


No, not the US, and very science centric. The numbers on the handhelds are still too low to make much noise about but 44 iPhone uniques to 3 Android unique visits is a difference.

For the most part though, trending on my science sites are US trending about 1.5 years later. Scientists get to and some times even need to buy the next cool thing a tad sooner than most. Android may have passed iPhone now but they should be prepared for whiplash in the future as iPhone smokes past them.

1.
Windows
9,160 59.72%

2.
Macintosh
5,832 38.03%
3.
Linux
273 1.78%
4.
iPhone
44 0.29%
5.
iPad
12 0.08%
6.
(not set)
7 0.05%
7.
Android
3 0.02%

A more interesting with more numbers is the breakdown of windows. Science has to work so they stick with XP. Few jumped to Vista and even fewer jumping to 7.


1.
XP
6,120 66.81%

2.
Vista
1,554 16.97%
3.
7
1,374 15.00%
4.
2000
68 0.74%
5.
Server 2003
36 0.39%
6.
98
8 0.09%

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#534310 - 09/02/10 05:03 PM Re: Anyone else think this is Boosheet? [Re: polymerase]
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Originally Posted By: polymerase
Android may have passed iPhone now but they should be prepared for whiplash in the future as iPhone smokes past them.


Actually, I was incorrect. Android has surpassed iPhone in Ad requests, not mobile web browsing. That correlates to a report I read a few weeks back that said Android users were something like 80% more likely to click on an ad to support a developer than an iPhone user, and most android developers are ditching paid programs because they make on average 10X the money releasing free apps.

I think Android is going to quickly gain ground in web browsing though, with the huge recent surge in sales, and considering the android browser uses webkit just like safari does, so the mobile web on them is very good.
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