I hope I am wrong too! We have to rationally look at our energy policies and cut back on oil, gas, and coal. All three are destroying our environment and our lives.

To rationally replace a substantial segment of the 100 quadrillion BTUs that we consume each year. We can cut back, we can cut a few percent with wind and solar. But we need about 30 quadrillion from nuclear with no effect on global warming and we need to open Yucca Mountain nuclear repository.

Or we live with the Gulf of Mexico with a bathtub ring and no bluefin tuna.

Question: did you hear one little peep (prior to the need for a scapegoat), of this great and terrible evil which was BP?


We've know it down here for a long time. This can't be news to you.

On March 23, 2005, a fire and explosion occurred at BP's Texas City Refinery in Texas City, Texas, killing 15 workers and injuring more than 170 others. BP was charged with criminal violations of federal environmental laws and has been subject to lawsuits from the victim's families. The Occupational Safety and Health Administration slapped BP with a then-record fine for hundreds of safety violations, and subsequently imposed an even larger fine after claiming that BP had failed to implement safety improvements following the disaster.


No WMDs, no drunken captain, nobody at Justice excusing torture, no rogue lieutenants. The WIKI entry may be beneath your criteria, but the history and the documentation is sound.

Even that was relatively minor compared to Bhopal and the Niger Delta but it was also under different management... little can be drawn from it except that one previous calamity from one of the world's largest companies is a pretty good record - contrary to what you're trying to suggest.

Yes, I did hear about the Texas Oil Refinery disaster. It was labeled BP's fault and it was pretty much off the news a week later. OSHA went in and cited the beejesus out of the place and never stopped. Buried in the middle of the Bush administration I was not surprised. I am surprised that Obama is doing the same thing. Blame BP end of story.

That disaster proves my theory. Oops, filled the Isomerisation tank too full, just a simple mistake. Fire it back of Jeeves. No need to change and regulations, no need to fix anything.

I have an absolutely wonderful idea. You should be appointed to the commission deciding what the new MMS regulations should be for offshore drilling. No joke, serious as a heart attack. Your scientific background and experience qualifies you, even if as a non oil industry expert. If you put your stamp of approval on new regs, I for one would have more faith in them.

If you remember the quote in another thread I posted from an oil industry expert who admitted no one in the industry or govt. was truly prepared for this scenario. He admitted this was the fault of his industry, not just one company. If they just put a band-aid on it and call it good, that is not good enough and I understand your skepticism that they may do little more than just that. Believe or not, there are good people in the oil industry who really do want to see real reforms in the regs that will work so this does not ever happen again. Most folks who work in the oil patch in the Gulf also live there and do not want to live in a Gulf that is a toxic waste dump.

Chris

I will take your suggestion as a compliment but never in a million years will I get near that kind of public policy making.

After Lea posted the Texas oil refinery it got me wondering why that was a five day news cycle, barely, and this disaster is amped to the max.

1) We have oil cam. People can see it so people can stay annoyed. Otherwise they would forget.

2) Oily birds. Nothing like an oily bird or a greased turtle to make people angry.

15 Texans got snuffed in the refinery explosion and that was old news a few days later. Some oily birds and oil cam and now you have a show that requires lot more scapegoating than a few OSHA citations.

Why would any sane person get involved with trying to educate the American people when they are such a bunch of stupid shiits? (See this is why I would not be any good.)


This week the oil got shut off. That is the end of the disaster as far as the news cycle goes. I bet we have no more BP sucks threads in this forum after another week. Pretty amazing really. The Gulf might take ten years or more to recover. Bluefin tuna might be toast. But no one will care because it is just numbers on a graph and there is no oil cam.

Aren't you the human tuinal. I guess I have more faith in mankind than you do, but you don't subscribe to faith so we definitely look at it differently.

I got plenty of faith in mankind. It is the selfish stupid American species I have my doubts in.

And if you met me you would call me human crystal meth.

If you think faith or belief in mankind's goodness is some way connected to religion and that atheists lack this moral compass you have more screws loose than I thought. ;-O

The devastation from this spill is considerably more far-reaching than what happened at Texas City, with the exception of the loss of human life. The people, the ecology and the economy of the Gulf Coast will be reeling from this for years to come. You don't think so? Move your ass down there and try to make a blue collar living. Go wade fishing in those salt flats. Try to keep you restaurant/hotel/fishing guide business viable for the next two years.





And I bet this is just the beginning of the Dickhead Petroleum sucks threads. This awful thing isn't even close to being over. For example ~ The original topic of this thread. You're a fkn' scientist. This story elicits 0 opinion from you? It's the second thread about the contract thing, but all you can do is rave on about how stupid we are and how poor KM is constantly picked on? Really?

Fine. Rant on. The rest of us will continue to follow the developments, post about them and talk about them.



And you'll be where in six months? Your involvement in all of this will be? Raving on, is all I can guess. But I'll be damned if I'll keep my mouth shut while you sell everybody else so fkn' short.

And while I'm here ~ You need to get over this "poor KM" crap. It's not like there was some secret decoder ring back room meeting, where everybody decided that KM is an arrogant, obnoxious a$$hole. He's managed to generate those feelings from the majority of the posters here all on his own. The two of you make quite a well matched couple.

Don't even start that, besides not caring to debate that crap, it's nowhere near what I meant. You just don't seem to take stock in much of anything except the world and activities you've wrapped yourself in up on that pedestal. Okay, the pedestal part sounded a bit personal, but that's the way it appears since you've re-emerged. I see a Howard Beale sort of thing mixed in too.

You may have some good points, but the condescending tone drowns them out. It's all in the presentation, eh?

You hardly ever joke anymore, what's up, or not, in your life?