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#530345 - 07/22/10 08:15 PM Re: You don't actually have to buy a scientist [Re: Lea]
steveg Offline
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Darlin' what works for km works for anyone, if'n you git mah drift.

I just call it Stereo Tranquility. ; )
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#530350 - 07/22/10 08:42 PM Re: You don't actually have to buy a scientist [Re: polymerase]
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100% certain about your beliefs

The only thing I am 100% certain about is my name.

And as for "a company that has not been found responsible for absolutely nothing", then why are they even there? Why did they give $? Why are they in charge of the clean-up? Why are they prohibiting reporters from reporting? etc etc etc
Too many whys for a company that is not responsible for anything.

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#530357 - 07/22/10 09:13 PM Re: You don't actually have to buy a scientist [Re: polymerase]
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I guess you haven't seen the firsthand reports that BP purposely circumvented safety procedures on that rig in order to speed things up.
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#530359 - 07/22/10 09:56 PM Re: You don't actually have to buy a scientist [Re: MacBozo]
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I've seen 'em but we haven't heard BP's response yet.

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#530361 - 07/22/10 10:11 PM Re: You don't actually have to buy a scientist [Re: keymaker]
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That's because BP refuses to respond. BP's response has been denial at every turn.
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#530362 - 07/22/10 10:14 PM Re: You don't actually have to buy a scientist [Re: MacBozo]
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That's on legal advice.

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#530386 - 07/23/10 05:50 AM Re: You don't actually have to buy a scientist [Re: polymerase]
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Originally Posted By: polymerase
[quote=Leslie]
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They have not been very impressive to date.


A company that has been found responsible for absolutely nothing, a company that has not had its day in court, only in the court of public opinion which is fueled by the desire of the oil industry to pin the entire rap on a single company and a few mistakes, a company that has nonetheless paid out over 200 million dollars on claims.

Everyone it seems knows exactly what happened on that oil rig. That the regulators and the other companies out there made no mistakes. It's all BP's fault. Just like we knew Sherley Sherrod is a racist and Saddam has WMD. Because the internet told you so and that you heard what you wanted to hear.

I would at least try to fake some skepticism and not be so 100% certain about your beliefs. It either looks like religion or you just don't like someone.


This is were your wrong.

BP is the general contractor for that drill - that makes them 100% responsible, with no questions asked. Don't need to even go to court - Did you even see BP waving their arms (like its not my fault)? NOPE because it is their fault.

Now BP is holding their subcontractors to their contracts and they are paying (BP) for some of the clean up directly. Well except one that decided that BP grossly miss manage the drilling operations and they should not pay BP for their mistakes. <-- BP can take them to court, if they wanted to but would drag out more dirt on BP management culture.


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#530400 - 07/23/10 11:40 AM Re: You don't actually have to buy a scientist [Re: carp]
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Yes, BP is the owner so it is their responsibility for cleanup. But no questions asked? Do you not want to find out why the incident occurred so that it does not occur again? There sure seems to be a ton of speculation as to the cause. If other companies or the regulatory agencies screwed up or if the very act of drilling in one mile deep water cannot be done safely I want to know. They are libel for the damages but were they 100% responsible? That is what I am talking about. In the court of the internet forum they are also 100% responsible ignoring any culpability by the rest of the oil industry or regulatory agencies.

That attitude is going to allow drilling to resume once BP is punished. While a tropical storm comes in to turn the gulf into a toxic waste dump we should consider that following that line of thinking is not all that smart.

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#530430 - 07/23/10 05:28 PM Re: You don't actually have to buy a scientist [Re: polymerase]
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Yes, multiple companies and government agencies had failures concerning this (and probably other wells/operations), but this one is BP's responsibility since it is the owner of this operation. BP was calling the shots on this, so they are the primary target. They screwed up, had no viable response plan other than the cut and paste plan that was approved and, at first, denied that anything was their responsibility. Of course, they are going to try to make themselves look better than what is being charged, but their dismal handling of the actual explosion, collapse, and "spill" along with their amateurish attempts at shoring up their image simply makes BP all that much more vulnerable and culpable. They have behaved as if they believe that they are too big to fail and are somewhat above the law. If anything, BP should learn from this that they should be a bit more humble.
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#530433 - 07/23/10 06:00 PM Re: You don't actually have to buy a scientist [Re: MacBozo]
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his one is BP's responsibility since it is the owner of this operation.

Overall responsibility for a project doesn't imply overall responsibility for everyone's else's negligence or prisoner releases.

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