That's the first time I can recall you conceding there might by multiple liability. It seems that you, poly and I are on our own with that, however, since everyone else has got BP down as liable for everything - big, bad BP, evil-minded Tony Hayward.


km

this is why you can't see the facts, KM... you're mired in irrelevant BS.. WTF does Bhopal have to do with this ? Absolutely nothing... that was Union Carbide, this is BP ! (BTW- I know hundreds died- it was horrible, but that doesn't make this any less a disaster !). Stick to the subject and forget Bhopal, Eddie Izzard, and the Queen Mary !!

Furthermore there were indications of gasket leaking days, if not weeks, before the blowout... BP managers ignored all the and went ahead... red flags were flying up all over the place - they were ignored for expediency and cost savings- that's NEGLIGENCE, dude !!

Lastly, "BP denied being in a rush".. many others don't corroborate those statements... are you that gullible? i.e. still waiting for that check from Nigeria ?

No I was saying that your preoccupation with BP's past record is overblown because it relies on the false assumption that the company is associated with an above average number of disasters so as to suggest a culture of indifference. If in fact their record is comparable or even comparatively good contrasted with that of other large corporations it undermines your point. The minimum death toll at Bhopal runs into thousands by the way, not hundreds. Now the people who are not corroborating BP's position are the very same as those who are trying to pass off a one-sided assessment of the disaster as an objective account in some cases to conceal their own culpability or responsibilities towards the victims - what a surprise... and what a surprise that Obama has fallen for it, hook, line and sinker.

km

KM do you really believe in your heart he cared about the people in the Gulf when he made that comment I mentioned to you?J

Just look at the past 3 months.. BP has LIED over and over again about many things.. 1st they lied on the drilling applications, making claims they knew they couldn't achieve,
Then they first said the flow rate was 1000 gallons per hour when internal memos show they knew it was much higher... that estimate over the next few months went from 1000 to 60,000 ! They have a pattern on lying and that's the present... so what convinces you they changed anything from their past behavior ?


There are people who once worked for BP who have come forward to describe how they faked safety tests.. I've hear others on many radio and TV shows.. heard another guy who worked for BP in Alaska who said they're repeating the same SOP up there they did in the gulf and it's a ticking time bomb. Where have you been ? Many of these are oil field workers who are POed about BP (and other oil companies) cavalier attitude towards safety and the value of their workers. These aren't network or newspaper talking heads. They KNOW what they're talking about.

There may be others who are also liable, but I think BP owns at least 75-80% of the responsibility from all the information I've heard.

I'm sorry, where exactly did you say he was vacationing again?

Of course he was dealing with the response, he was obligated to do so. If he truly cared about the "little people" as you so put, he'd volunteer to be on a Louisiana beach today collecting tarballs, or out on a boat tending to booms.

Or, perhaps he could have organized the response much better, oil wouldn't have reached those beaches and marshes, and replacement wouldn't have been necessary.

Yes - when people you work with in a common endeavour suddenly die in a tragic accident it's only natural to feel the sense of loss and devastation of which he spoke.

km

Spain - he's back at work now.


No well he's got management responsibilities so he can't just do whatever he likes.


I don't think anyone's come up with a better way of doing it - he was replaced because of all the anti-British flak that was flying around. In fact there's been no real change to the operations since Bob Pudley took over except they're now being described by someone with an American accent

km

It would seem you're too ready to accept any crackpot allegation as necessarily true as long as it's anti-BP. How do you know the internal memos concerned verified calculations that were communicated to their spokesmen? Or that the accusations of faked safety tests aren't themselves completely bogus and malicious? You accept all that but show not the slightest interest in what Eddie Izzard has to say. Why? Because it's not anti-BP, that's why.

km

My prescription if I wanted to ignore somebody on this forum would be to actually ignore them and not care or respond to what they have to say. How this would require me to ignore the forum altogether is a form of logic with which I am unfamiliar ...


I suppose you could indeed if I had gone around bragging at length about it -- that would make me look pretty silly. ;-)