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#523862 - 05/25/10 07:20 PM Re: BP finally admits that it's worse. [Re: keymaker]
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Originally Posted By: BP Senior Executive Vice President Kent Wells

"Ultimately, it's a winning game that we out-pump the well"

Originally Posted By: keymaker

He was using that figuratively of course because they only need to match the well not outperform it.

It's all just wishful thinking on his part; that they could out-perform the spill by pumping back into captivity all the oil as it is let out of the broken rise.

That is, of course, impossible.

If that were possible it would be, for everybody, "Ultimately" (in the last analysis), "a winning game" (the best that could happen given the circumstances).

smile laugh Wishful thinking that would be nice for BP, and for all, yes.
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#523863 - 05/25/10 07:21 PM Re: BP finally admits that it's worse. [Re: steveg]
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The siphon/pump/soda-straw-in-a-wine-glass business has been largely ineffective.

I wouldn't agree with that:

Kent Wells <---.

I would agree that it hasn't completely stopped the spill because they couldn't achieve a perfect seal with the RITT - nothing like as good as the one I got.

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#523865 - 05/25/10 07:24 PM Re: BP finally admits that it's worse. [Re: keymaker]
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Gravity and pressure, I should have thought that was quite obvious.

So this whole business of oil being lighter than water has nothing to do with it anymore?

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All of my statements are consistent, by the way.


Things like:

Quote:
pour a teaspoon of olive oil into a glass of water


vs.

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I wasn't dealing with oil in water


Seem pretty inconsistent to me ... but oh well ...

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#523866 - 05/25/10 07:33 PM Re: BP finally admits that it's worse. [Re: six_of_one]
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Well, I made that point in relation to experiment 1 when I poured oil into water in a wine glass and it rose to the surface, which simulates the spill, of course. Since there's more pressure on water than on anything lighter than water such as oil it comes to the surface from a subaquatic source even through a pipe - that's what my experiments 2 and 3 prove. grin

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#523875 - 05/25/10 08:18 PM Re: BP finally admits that it's worse. [Re: steveg]
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What? You want to throw slime at slime?
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#523881 - 05/25/10 09:32 PM Re: BP finally admits that it's worse. [Re: Reboot]
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All of your experiments are irrelevant. What about Michael's observation that the oil is already under great pressure as it's over 3.5 miles down, with the weight of the earth on it?

That doesn't support the pump theory - it detracts from it.

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#523882 - 05/25/10 09:38 PM Re: BP finally admits that it's worse. [Re: keymaker]
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You would have to have one helluva pump to reverse that flow. These wells, when tapped under such pressure, don't use pumps. They use valves to control the flow at the head on the well platform. The best comparison is an artesian water well which also flows freely unless it is controlled with pressure valves.
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#523883 - 05/25/10 09:44 PM Re: BP finally admits that it's worse. [Re: MacBozo]
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The pump lobby aren't trying to reverse the flow of course but to ADD to it. laugh

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#523884 - 05/25/10 09:45 PM Re: BP finally admits that it's worse. [Re: MacBozo]
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Here's the explanation:

Blowout (well drilling) - From Wikipedia
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#523886 - 05/25/10 10:13 PM Re: BP finally admits that it's worse. [Re: keymaker]
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Originally Posted By: keymaker
In all material respects it's the same as what as what BP is doing but on a smaller scale. As poly has pointed out, the physics work even better on a larger scale i.e. with even deeper water.

In all material respects your experiment reflects the characteristics of subaquatic well in a perfectly good condition, while the well BP is focused on has, at the ocean bottom surface, in a lower pressure environment than that of the mantle, a leak or spill —into the ocean— of 5000 barrels a day ("Oil Siphon Doubles Capacity"), as its Riser Insertion Tool captures another 2000 barrels a day.

If the Riser Insertion Tool picks up 30% of the flow it would be lucky to trap 30% of the gusher pressure. The original riser pipe is broken —in several places (three?)—; the pressure is spilt.

The above percentage of captured gusher energy means that 70%+ of the pressure is spilling out into the gulf with the oil. The longer it gushes, the more pressure is lost.

I see a big difference between one and the other and can't understand your equating in your experiment a ruptured well and an intact one.

Isn't this all about the oil spill? Yet, you choose to ignore it in your model?

If your garden hose had a gash 10 inches from the water pipe faucet, and it was spilling 70% of the water through it, would the pressure at the head of the hose 50 feet away be unaffected?
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