the 30 was just a site listing bugs and i clicked to have it show me the most recently 30 submitted. they have many more. and that might not even be the best site to use to find apps with bugs. i have apps crash from time to time that are fairly popular apps. the App store allows users to write reviews and i avoid apps that are really buggy or seem more like beta apps. if a flash based app was buggy then users would report it and people like me would avoid it to begin with. the market tends to work things out in this regard and i am all for a more open market where the strongest apps survive based on whether we want to buy them or not, not based on whether Apple will approve them or not.

anyway, the whole point i was getting at is that i prefer an open internet and Apple is not any more open than Adobe. Android is far closer to the open system that i prefer to see across the board. but the real reason i might switch to an EVO is less to do with the open nature of the OS and more because 4G is coming to my area and 4G is far faster than 3G.

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Weren't the apps that were questioned not pornographic, but merely suggestive? Apple knuckled under to please some very prudish "family" groups? I agree that there could be a way to filter porn downloads, but most 14 yo kids already know how to bypass that.

i don't recall. but i am much more concerned with the apps that get rejected even though they aren't violating terms of agreement (e.g., the wifi app in the first post).

Well the next iPhone is gonna be 4G , so thats a moot point . But if you like EVO better go for it .



errr what never mind I won't get into , I know that is not what you meant .

I agree with most of what your saying just a few caught my eye .

the next Apple iPhone is going to be a fourth generation, but it will still run on AT&T's 3G network. this is pretty confusing, but Sprint is actually building a 4G wireless network that is much, much faster than 3G:

whereas the 3G network on AT&T gives us:

(so, 4G is at least twice as fast as AT&T's 3G and more likely will be about 5 times faster. many times, the 4G speeds will rival my home Comcast speeds.

**source for speeds listed above

I meant 4G not 4th Generation - Unless them Marketing guys are playing word games , again that just rumors . Makes sense if Apple wants to stay on top , you can't be the Big Dog when every other phone is faster than yours , Right .

Anyway I suspect 4G not 4th Generation this year , phone wise - as for AT&T providing the service is another question

AT&T getting a 4G network is a year or more away. supposedly they are trying to improve their 3G in the meantime. my part of the world has the Sprint 4G coming in the next few months but places like Chicago might see better speeds with AT&T than with Sprint so the fastest speeds will depend on where you live and that will help the iPhone in some places and the EVO in others.

**source for AT&T roll out of 4G

AT&T is already working on what they call HSPA 7.2 Mbps at its peak , still 3G but with what they call BackHaul support ? , in general a big speed bump up



How often are those Burst

Your right AT&T won't be ready until maybe late next year for real 4G - However at least there is a speed boost that looks like it keeps up with Sprint 4G . So at 7.2 at its peak I would suspect the average would be around 4 to 5 Mbps , not to shabby

I wanna know how I can get a BackHaul.

i don't care how often the bursts are if the typical speed is at least 3MB or more.

here's what i get right now (12:30 AM) on AT&T's 3G:



that's not quite 1 MB down and pathetic upload speeds.