#500097 - 03/19/1011:23 PMRe: The Mandate . .
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carp
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SO WHAT !? WTF does that matter WHO it is, you still have to get it !
Dave
The problem is that many people are in that in between poverty brackets .
Example myself when I was out of work .
1 - I could not afford the COBRA plan at 550 a month <- being out of work with the ridiculous small UI payment
2 - I could not qualify for State or Federal assistance of any kind
3 - I could not even get a Federal Grant for College <-- they offered me a Student loan to pay back , instead . <-- freaking idiots , I am out of work and cannot pay back anything
Simply there are people who do fall in between the cracks , Like me
#500123 - 03/20/1010:24 AMRe: The Mandate . .
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garyW
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Your examples of when you were out of work are the problems that the legislation plans to fix.
Exactly what is it about the tax credit & low income subsidies and hardship allowances in the legislation that are completely invisible to you? Rather than pay $550/mo. for COBRA policy you might have to only pay $37/mo for the same coverage. I posted the chart with the numbers that fit your income.
Go to jail? $900 fine? Really, please show me where that is in in the bill? The penalties are reflected in your tax filing. You fail to pay your taxes and you could be penalized and possibly sent to jail ...
Included in the Senate reconciliation bill as proposed by the President
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Improve Individual Responsibility.
All Americans should have affordable health insurance coverage. This helps everyone, both insured and uninsured, by reducing cost shifting, where people with insurance end up covering the inevitable health care costs of the uninsured, and making possible robust health insurance reforms that will curb insurance company abuses and increase the security and stability of health insurance for all Americans.
The House and Senate bills require individuals who have affordable options but who choose to remain uninsured to make a payment to offset the cost of care they will inevitably need. The House bill’s payment is a percentage of income. The Senate sets the payment as a flat dollar amount or percentage of income, whichever is higher (although not higher than the lowest premium in the area). Both the House and Senate bill provide a low-income exemption, for those individuals with incomes below the tax filing threshold (House) or below the poverty threshold (Senate).The Senate also includes a “hardship” exemption for people who cannot afford insurance, included in the President’s Proposal. It protects those who would face premiums of more than 8 percent of their income from having to pay any assessment and they can purchase a low-cost catastrophic plan in the exchange if they choose. The President’s Proposal adopts the Senate approach but lowers the flat dollar assessments, and raises the percent of income assessment that individuals pay if they choose not to become insured. Specifically, it lowers the flat dollar amounts from $495 to $325 in 2015 and $750 to $695 in 2016. Subsequent years are indexed to $695 rather than $750, so the flat dollar amounts in later years are lower than the Senate bill as well. The President’s Proposal raises the percent of income that is an alternative payment amount from 0.5 to 1.0% in 2014, 1.0 to 2.0% in 2015, and 2.0 to 2.5% for 2016 and subsequent years – the same percent of income as in the House bill, which makes the assessment more progressive. For ease of administration, the President’s Proposal changes the payment exemption from the Senate policy (individuals with income below the poverty threshold) to individuals with income below the tax filing threshold (the House policy). In other words, a married couple with income below $18,700 will not have to pay the assessment. The President’s Proposal also adopts the Senate’s “hardship” exemption.
#500147 - 03/20/1005:38 PMRe: The Mandate . .
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carp
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Go to jail? $900 fine? Really, please show me where that is in in the bill? The penalties are reflected in your tax filing.
I mentioned above about car insurance is a jail-able offense here - I mentioned that this health care bill has a 900 buck fine for those who do not have health insurance , just heard that again on CNN today . <-- I mentioned like car insurance will this end up later as also being a jail-able offense ? After all car insurance was at one time mandatory , some years , later became an jail-able offense
#500151 - 03/20/1006:17 PMRe: The Mandate . .
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garyW
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"- I mentioned that this health care bill has a 900 buck fine for those who do not have health insurance , just heard that again on CNN today ." <<<------ WRONG
What you probably heard was that Massachusetts' state Romneycare health coverage mandate had up to $900 penalties from 2008.
Obamacare will kill your grandma, steal your freedoms and make you subservient to Mao ... but the mandate penalties are adjusted to your income and come in the form of tax withholdings.
#500157 - 03/20/1007:02 PMRe: The Mandate . .
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carp
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Well Its just not CNN , I been hearing that over the radio news locally as well - So maybe this Romneycare is only what you hear ? ?
I dunno , but when I start hearing the same thing from different sources , there maybe some truth to that . Your the only one so far that disputes that Your out gunned sorry .
That is plain robbery on your dentist's prices. These prices have to be controlled once and for all by the HHS perhaps and some of this should be covered by the insurance provider.We really still do not have a good health plan in this country.
Your out gunned sorry .
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