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Well, it was a serious proposition: define "terrorist" ... until you can get to a definition that everyone agrees with (good luck with that, btw), it's pretty useless to make a blanket statement that one group or another is the major offender, since the offense itself has a malleable definition ...
One man's "terrorist" is another's "freedom fighter". The British during the Revolutionary War regarded colonial insurgents as terrorists, since they didn't adopt the accepted fighting tactics of the day. I believe China currently labels the Dalai Lama as a terrorist, for instance, although I think that claim leaves many in the rest of the world just aghast. Depending on the POV, either the Israelis or the Palestinians are terrorists (or maybe both. Or neither) ... You just joked (I hope ;-) that terrorism was being practiced in this thread -- and even though it was tongue-in-cheek, it does highlight that what one person sees as "terrorism" others may see in a completely different light ...
But even if we do have a common, universally-accepted definition of the offense, what value does it bring to the table to even make a blanket statement such as that made by the ABC commentator in the first place? Most Muslims wouldn't recognize the "religion" many of these groups embrace to begin with, so where does that get us? It's not like the solution is to round-up all the Muslims in the world or bar all of them from traveling to the US ... Even using the belief in Islam as a marker for "terrorism" *at best* might be a very, very, VERY sloppy and generalized tool for profiling for potential attacks against the West in general and the US in particular. Nominally, though, such blanket generalizations probably cause more damage than they prevent ...
Quite honestly, I don't see where "Most terrorists are Muslim" really moves anybody in a positive or helpful direction ...
Tell me, Celandine, would you like to revisit "petri dishes" and "buying my children on CraigsList"? How about "poking the wrong hole" or "flipping my wife over"?
Yeah, I now know what you posted last week. But before you jump to more of your trademark misguided conclusions, you need to know that someone who is generally known to be quite supportive of you was so shocked by the utter depravity and rage within your post that they copied the text (fortunately, before the post was deleted), and then agonized for several days over whether they should share it with me. It was pretty shocking stuff — even for you. But rather than anger, I actually felt pity for you. Your words were a blinding spotlight on a dark and hate-filled mind.
So now, you have two things to ponder: 1. Which one of your friends threw you under the bus. And... 2. If or when I may choose to republish your words for everyone's benefit — especially Robert, so he can see what a real personal attack is.
At least now you have some company, because Payback is the other Bitch in the room.
- remember they were attacking our overseas interests for a long time well before before 911 . So the US declared War on Terrorist and you don't have to be muslim either just a terrorist
The problem is much older than any modern "islamist" attacks. Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Palestine et.al. .... all have known and suffered western imperialism for well over a century. Memories in that part of the world are longer than the short attention span you seem to be propagating.
"Your interests" as defined by US (and before that British of French) policy, is really absolutely none of your business. Claiming an interest doesn't mean actually being entitled to it.
For centuries, the imperial powers have simply imposed their views and "interests" while the affected peoples had no means of fighting back. That has changed and now we all need to reconsider the natural order of things.
Just as the Imperialists didn't or don't ask what weapons they chose to suppress others, the oppressed now chose their own weapons, whether we like them or not. (Oppression, by the way, in recent times has most often meant, imposing and supporting obedient puppet regimes .. as in Iraq, Iran, etc.)
Considering the changes 911 has brought about, one might think that they have been a great deal more successful than could have been expected: - regular wars don't work anymore - civil rights in the West have been sacrificed to protection against these new forms of fighting - the cost of conventional wars has financially crippled the USSR and now the USA - as a result, former 3rd World nations, like China or India, have become powerful enough, to make even the US prez dance to their whistle
Time, to smell the coffee and change attitudes. Time to come off the pedestal and negotiate with the so-called terrorists, before they bring down the world economy even more.
Very well said!
The thought that, "Claiming an interest doesn't mean actually being entitled to it" resonated particularly well with me, but sadly, I doubt many Americans have any idea of what you mean by that.
Are you really trying to rationalize that filth as gallows humor? Are you going to say it's a "pity that no one gets" why you would drag total, unconnected strangers (to you) — someone's wife and children — into your sick vendetta? You're further around the bend that even I would have guessed.
Good. Stand by it. In fact, stand in it. You may even get the chance to stew in it. And see a proctologist about your particular wedge.
BTW.. I don't think it was "Depraved" I feel it was "INSTRUCTIONAL" Other than that, what it was; was you're own words chewed up and spat back in your face.
Thread after thread thrashing him over his opinion on IVF and again casting yourself as a some kind of High-Road-Hero simply for choosing adoption as an alternative. GOODONYA! Can we move on now?
NOPE! now you drag it out again to address the Stem Cell Post. I thought perhaps you'd been doing it the wrong way.. ( almost said "Arse Backward".. but the humorless may not see the humor in that as well)
20 Threads about homosexuals. SHEESH! ENOUGH ALREADY! Why drag it into the STEM CELLS thread AGAIN! just to reinforce the divisions you'd set-up between members in the OTHER 20 threads.
When you made the 51's "SHYTE" reference I was so disgusted that I started to point that fact out .. when it all just gelled, and I spat it all into one single post that (AFAI'm Concerned) Addressed all the issues in one single post (As opposed to the now familiar 200-300 you've used)
Sorry so many people missed the VERY Pointed POINT.
Which is YOU have very specific issues, and opinions ..yet feel justified to crucify anyone that differs from those opinions, (all the while yammering that they are doing the same)
This thread is just another Example.
What bothers me about it is that you draw everyone else into your fights.. getting them all to "Choose Sides" and you don't care a whit what it does to the community as a whole. ..As long as YOU WIN..
Sorry it makes you crazy that km doesn't let you win. Sorry it forces the rest of us to sit through day after day of you yammering and calling "His Minus" names. while the rest of the Political forum grinds to a halt.
Hey! All anyone has to do is Search for "LONGEST THREADS" to bear this out.
IMO.. if there's anything "sad" it's that. You'd wreck everything just to get your way.
*Stands Back & Waits for your Friends to delete this post and ban me for standing up to you.* I still haven't figured out their seemingly random rules for who can call people names for 10 pages at a time & who can't.
..anyway.. I agree with iBook; you have your own bias to deal with. Try removing the plank from your own eye.. ..before trying to remove the speck of sawdust from everyone else's.
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