Korea and Vietnam were entirely ideological wars. A brief police action against Bin Laden might be explained by a provocation, whereby I consider 911 itself a response to imperialistic behaviour in the region. (No, I do not consider the act itself right, but when one reflects on Wall Street's role in the current financial mess, one might consider the target quite symbolic.) But what developed out of this, Iraq, the current Afghan and now soon Pakistan wars, has been clearly strategic, clad into "national interests". None were thrust upon the USA.
Now, you may not even see the military romanticism, but from highschool football games to any civic celebration, there are always flags and uniforms and rah-rah. Clearly, Hollywood has been a major factor in celebrating military exploits, but it strikes most people, who view the US from the outside, as I do now, how omni-present the armed forces are. There is a form of romanticism in all of that, which stands in direct contrast to the reality of war.
"Humor ist, wenn man trotzdem lacht" (Humour means laughing despite of it)
I tend to agree some what and see what your saying .
Just not sure romanticism is the right word ? I certainly don't view the military as anything close to anything romantic and I am sure most everyone else in the US as well - But hey you outsiders view the military that way then thats your perception and certainly not mine .
I cannot say for other countries but when people visit here they tell me how surprised their are about how the military plays a "vital" roll in social , economic and provides a strong community fabric . The military not only supports local business but their also one of the largest employers as well , just one base can have up to 5,000 civilian employees
So romanticism thats only for Hollywood to portray - In real life they are just a big part of our communities
That's romanticizing war, because it focusses on heroic action instead of the real horror of war, which often is borne by the civilian - collateral - population.
Well those John Wayne movies are long gone and now Hollywood seems to be showing the real horrors of war . Sure the hero gets the babe at the end of those movies but thats Hollywood and in the movies only . Most Americans would know the difference between a movie and real life war .
Simply Not me and I don't think most Americans romanticized the military in anyway . But like I said you can if you want .
No wonder, so many youngsters, sent there, come back turned inside out.
Well thats mostly so many young have not seen war let alone death - even at home with a car accident that involved people losing their lives will too be shaken up , a young person mind to see death for the first time is a shocker , war or not .
Loc: Alexandria, VA
the Forces are everywhere. Cadets, high school recruitment drives, military bands, parades, the works.
I'm going to both agree (somewhat) and disagree with this premise ...
If you're in the right parts of the US, the military plays a *huge* role -- if there's a large-ish base nearby, it's naturally going to have a significant impact on the local economy and culture; not just in the US, but in other countries as well. And yes, the media -- especially the 24-hour-news-cycle-entertainment-is-news variety -- does hype the honor and nobility aspect of waging war rather than the obvious negatives ...
However, I went to high school in the Washington, DC area (where I still live) -- it perhaps has one of the larger concentrations of military facilities in the nation -- and for the life of me I can't recall one single "high school recruitment drive" or, for that matter, a parade (of which we have maybe one or two a year) that featured a military band (DC proper probably has more than a few as might be expected, but Alexandria, where I live ... yeah we don't really have tons of those) ... The University of Virginia, where I went to college, did have an ROTC presence, but unless you had been informed of that fact you certainly wouldn't have known it ...
I'm going to extrapolate that to places that have zero military presence -- read: 90% of the US -- and say those places have even less displays ...
So I guess what I'm saying is that Eck's impression of romanticizing the military is probably mostly media-driven and doesn't reflect a large part -- if not even a majority -- of everyday American life. Sure, there's a segment that sees the US military through rose-colored glasses. But I'm thinking that's vastly outnumbered by those who think the only romance in military duty is being able to come back home to a loving family ...
As for coming back from deployment being turned inside-out, I also imagine that has a lot more to do with the actual horrors of war and watching one's comrades and civilians (and enemies, even) suffering horrible pain and agony than any cultural romanticization ...
I consider 911 itself a response to imperialistic behaviour
No doubt about it... although US militarism has been appreciated in the UK ever since it came to the aid of the party in World War II. That respect was seriously undermined by the folly of Bush'n'Blair, of course.
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