#445543 - 09/19/0902:26 PMRe: Choice of trials...
[Re: steveg]
carp
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Originally Posted By: steveg
We're on the same page in that there's plenty of blame to go around — though there are some that can only see the conflict in mono-vision. But if were to place the human rights abuses on a scale, Israel would probably be the fatty in the room.
#445548 - 09/19/0902:54 PMRe: Choice of trials...
[Re: carp]
keymaker
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Prove it , got any links to where Israel rounded up people and gun them down...?
I've already provided the links - you need to start reading them... this example which is only one of many goes back to the opening post...
"The Mission investigated eleven incidents in which Israeli forces launched direct attacks against civilians with lethal outcome... The cases examined in this part of the report are... cases in which the facts indicate no justifiable military objective pursued by the attack. The first two incidents are attacks against houses in the Samouni neighbourhood south of Gaza City, including the shelling of a house in which Palestinian civilians had been forced to assemble by the Israeli forces. The following group of seven incidents concern the shooting of civilians while they were trying to leave their homes to walk to a safer place, waving white flags and, in some of the cases, following an injunction from the Israeli forces to do so. The facts gathered by the Mission indicate that all the attacks occurred under circumstances in which the Israeli forces were in control of the area and had previously entered into contact with or at least observed the persons they subsequently attacked, so that they must have been aware of their civilian status. In the majority of these incidents, the consequences of the Israeli attacks against civilians were aggravated by their subsequent refusal to allow the evacuation of the wounded or to permit access to ambulances.
Don't discredit yourself as you so often do by trying to excuse it... everyone knows that this kind of activity represents criminality of the most serious kind that we have no alternative but to bring before the courts.
#445551 - 09/19/0903:10 PMRe: Choice of trials...
[Re: keymaker]
carp
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Don't discredit yourself as you so often do by trying to excuse it...
I don't discredit myself like you do by constantly showing your bias
The Mission - needs to show their FACTS <-- that is what I am talking about
Your link is just a narration based on their view or their bias of the facts . Which when it goes to court it will then be argued on what is the real truth .
#445553 - 09/19/0903:27 PMRe: Choice of trials...
[Re: carp]
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The Mission - needs to show their FACTS <-- that is what I am talking about
You're still not reading are you - not even from the post you're replying to...
"The cases examined in this part of the report are... cases in which the [color:#990000]facts indicate no justifiable military objective pursued by the attack."[/color]
Or from the link:
"The Mission adopted an inclusive approach in gathering information and seeking views. Information-gathering methods included: (a) the review of reports from different sources; (b) interviews with victims, witnesses and other persons having relevant information); (c) site visits to specific locations in Gaza where incidents had occurred; (d) the analysis of video and photographic images, including satellite imagery; (e) the review of medical reports about injuries to victims; (f) the forensic analysis of weapons and ammunition remnants collected at incident sites; (g) meetings with a variety of interlocutors; (h) invitations to provide information relating to the Mission’s investigation requirements; (i) the wide circulation of a public call for written submissions; (j) public hearings in Gaza and in Geneva; 19. The Mission conducted 188 individual interviews. It reviewed more than 300 reports, submissions and other documentation either researched of its own motion, received in reply to its call for submissions and notes verbales or provided during meetings or otherwise, amounting to more than 10,000 pages, over 30 videos and 1,200 photographs.
Are you seriously suggesting against Judge Goldstone's view that all those Palestinian deaths should not be prosecuted for want of factual evidence? What qualifies you to contradict him?
#445587 - 09/19/0906:53 PMRe: Choice of trials...
[Re: keymaker]
carp
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1724. From the facts available, the Mission finds that the rocket and mortars attacks, launched by Palestinian armed groups in Gaza, have caused terror in the affected communities of southern Israel and in Israel as a whole. Furthermore, it is the Mission’s view that the mortars and rockets
[Footnotes]
A/HRC/12/48 page 474
are uncontrolled and uncontrollable, respectively. This indicates the commission of an indiscriminate attack on the civilian population of southern Israel, a war crime, and may amount to crimes against humanity. These attacks have caused loss of life and physical and mental injury to civilians and damage to private houses, religious buildings and property and have eroded the economic and cultural life of the affected communities."
That war crime is murder - according to The Mission
Don't discredit yourself as you so often do by trying to excuse it...
I don't discredit myself like you do by constantly showing your bias
The Mission - needs to show their FACTS <-- that is what I am talking about
Your link is just a narration based on their view or their bias of the facts . Which when it goes to court it will then be argued on what is the real truth .
What don't you get?
"BIAS" Swings BOTH Ways.
You & Steve are "BIAS" In FAVOR of The Israeli aggression.
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#445594 - 09/19/0907:33 PMRe: Choice of trials...
[Re: Celandine]
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I'm trying to remember the last time one of your wild-eyed and spittle-soaked assumptions actually turned out to be correct. Trying... trying... trying... Darn!
Oh well, maybe this time? Ball's in your court. Show us the proof.
#445617 - 09/19/0910:58 PMRe: Choice of trials...
[Re: carp]
keymaker
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That war crime is murder - according to The Mission
No that's not what it found... wilful killing is attributed only to the Israelis - one reason why your 50 / 50 argument is nonsense. Incidentally you still haven't answered poly's inquiry about why the US doesn't adopt your ratio when supplying arms and aid in the region?
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