Agreed: Show me just one thread in the history of forums in general that stays exclusively on topic once there are three or four responses.
Disagreed: The thread morphed because I asked you for a clarification of your point, and then asked for YOUR position on the issue you presented as the basis for that point. Someone else offered the clarification, and you never answered the question.
As Reboot has so aptly stated, no one owes anyone else an answer for anything. But when you make a very pointed statement and then refuse to offer your own POV, it calls your rationale into question.
Not obvious at all. "I am opposed to sexual slavery, but I do not believe that our troops should be putting their lives on the line to stop it." would have been crystal clear. Why the persistent obfuscation? Why not just say the red car is red and diffuse all the skepticism and suspicion?
IMHO, there are two ways to look at it. If Karzai is enabling this law because he believes it's the right thing to do, we are dying to support it. But if Karzai is doing it under hardline Taliban pressure, we are fighting to stop it, because if the Taliban is defeated, such laws can be repealed. Whichever rationale you go with, sexual slavery is just one of many, many issues, and the wisdom of sending anyone in harm's way for just the one is flawed.
So sue me for looking at it from two perspectives. And, BTW, I see that the first six words of my hypothetical quote are still being ignored. Hmmmm...
As I've already stated throughout this thread, I don't agree with the narrow focus of your point, but I do agree that we're wasting too many lives there within the bigger picture. And I've said it here,here,here, and here. And in most cases, you can skip right to the last sentence in each post. Whether to support it or stop it, wife starving is only one small piece of a war that we ought not prosecute any longer.
I've shown you mine, now you show me yours. Show me one post where you implicitly say that sexual slavery is or isn't a big deal to YOU.
At last you've admitted your indifference. What you call the narrow focus of my point is that British forces should not be dying to support a regime promoting sexual slavery. It has a clear duty without more to bring an end to all such support and arrest those in charge. The point stands on its own.
Show me one post where you implicitly say that sexual slavery is or isn't a big deal to YOU.
In my opening post I said :
"Oh yeah, that's really worth dying for - wife-starving in Afghanistan"
meaning that in my opinion having regard to our values and obligations wife-starving is the kind of deal for which British forces should not be sacrificing their lives.
In my third post I said that because sexual slavery was a big deal in the West:
"we shouldn't be fighting for it"
meaning that in my opinion if being there means supporting sexual slavery contrary to our values and treaty commitments we need to get out to give opponents a better chance of defeating it.
In my sixth post I said:
"As co-signatory Britain has a duty to bring offenders to justice before the ICC so instead of defending Karzai we should be arresting him"
That meant that in my opinion we can't go on allowing troops to die fighting to defend an illegality. Whether you consider sexual slavery a big deal or not is up to you... as far as I'm concerned it's a false dichotomy because our obligations are clear either way.
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