Still haven't decided if I'm a MacCentral refugee. I'm a MacCentral Outathere, but I'm not sure that the whole forum debacle hasn't cured me of the forum habit altogether.<br><br>I've been thinking about it very seriously the last coupla days. While it's nice to think that the environs here are so very welcoming (and they are) and it's nice to see that with the old friends who have journeyed over are also new potential friends. But I'm also finding myself feeling very ambivalent about the forum dynamic itself.<br><br>Just a little backtrack here, and some info for MacMinute folks who have no idea who I am (not that I suggest you should care who I am). Just a few weeks ago, after a couple thousand posts on MacCentral, I fled the scene because of the rising hostility I felt was overtaking the forums. After a flurry of private messages, I was lured back with accompanying melodrama (and serious regret by at least one person, who sent me the following PM: "Just stay the f**k away, a**h*le."). <br><br>At first, despite the PM above, it felt good to be back. I participated with renewed vigor in a variety of discussions, both Mac-related and and not. For the record, my own OT-to-Mac posts were probably 5-to-1, and I know from other PMs I received that I inspired some serious ire with my OT tendencies. I also participated enthusiastically in the MacCentral Mosaic project, signed up for the MacCentral Folding@Home Team, etc.<br><br>Then the latest debacle happened, and I was left with the feeling What was the point in coming back? And further, what's the point altogether? I've fled other forums in the past, though none to which I had committed so much time and so much of myself, and it was always because the dynamic inevitably degrades, over time, to hostility, back-biting, imperiousness, etc.<br><br>I think the situation over at MacCentral has been very seriously mismanaged by Jim Dalrymple, (yes, it's not an enviable position, but Jim buckled to the bullies and subsequently only took baby-steps back) The landscape left in the wake of all this is tentative, anxious, unpleasant, strained. Supposedly a compromise has been reached, but it strikes me as the kind of compromise made with guns pointed at everyone's head.<br><br>So here I am, a refugee yet again, regretting the time I spent posting there, regretting the time I spent on my Mosaic tile. I'm seriously considering withdrawing my tile altogether on the grounds that I have such bad feelings about MacCentral that I don't care to have my artwork associated with it. The only thing that's holding me back is the respect I feel for those who organized the project and the fact that the proceeds are going to a worthy cause. But the name "MacCentral" itself is tainted for me now, and thus the project has lost its luster as well.<br><br>And, while I can pick up stakes and move to this new home, I'm left wondering if I really want to go through this all again? How long before someone else comes along and pitches a fit about the trivial? How long before the flame wars over nothing begin? How long before the hostile PMs arrive here telling me that I'm a despicable person, I don't deserve to be a father, etc?<br><br>I mean, who needs it?<br><br>
Loc: In Your Servers
Bukk I don't know what to say<br>Who ever that sickoid is,that sent you that PM is the type yhat is not needed at MC or surely not this one.<br>I have always enjoyed you posts and you have never ending sence of humor.<br>That is a quailty and added to the MC spirit which has gone way down hill .<br>I still will go there from time to time but even now MC does not seem a comfortable place to be for me as well.<br>So all I can say is<br>[color:red]Welcome Fellow Refugee</font color=red> <br><br>This could be da place
i am in a similar boat. i have left, yet still care about the mosaic and feel awkward about it being MC and all. oh well, i can't wait to see it.<br><br>bukk, i would certainly love to have you stay here and continue to post. i am going to be taking a break later today and much of next week to go and defend my dissertation and complete my doctorate (whahoo). i have two 12 hour drives ahead of me and figure to do a lot of thinking. i am also considering the value of such boards. honestly, i think i already know that this is more likely the place for me. i have too hard of feelings to return to the MC site right now. i was very much a person who rarely started my own off-topic posts (i responded to other people's) and never posted about titles or to increase my number of posts.<br><br>oops...daughter calling me...will finish la<br><br>[color:blue] -sean</font color=blue>
#4354 - 04/20/0207:38 PMWhy Let The Rustlers Drive You Off The Land?
The point is, you obviously have a desire to communicate your thoughts. I don't believe you can stifle it for very long. And I certainly don't believe it is anyone's right to stifle your voice.<br><br>Stay here, if you feel uncomfortable at MacCentral. And to use that nasty new cliche, don't let them silence you because if you do, the terrorists have won.<br><br>A brief, nasty story. In the early days of MacCentral, while Stan was still running the place, a certain poster developed a real hate-on for me. Eventually, he started spoofing my name, which was easy using the old forum software, and wrote detestable posts under my name. The worst of these implied I was a child molester. Stan quickly reacted and got the idiot thrown off (and reported him to his ISP). But the point is, none of this was going to force me to leave. If you do decide to leave someplace, try to do it on your own terms, not someone else's.<br><br>John<br>[color:red]I don't need no steenkin' signature!</font color=red>
Bukk,<br>As another who always enjoyed your posts I hope you land up here. Your posts are the only ones I can't read in the lab because once I sprayed coffee all over my LCD.<br>At MC I enjoyed virtually all of the posters, even the ones I completely dissagree with because they knew how to argue a point. The few that could not argue without personal attacks on each post should have been warned and either gone or changed their ways. They should not have been put up with. All of the arguing about OT trivial posts seemed ludicrous when slurs were allowed with impunity.<br>What if everyone wanders over here and the head honchos have a backbone and don't allow obscene personal attacks?<br>I think that would be cool.<br>Hopefully the locals will put up with us. I do feel like an invading army ... of ants ... yeah really beig army ants that can carry off small children and powerbooks. And wait these ants have smelly furry hats with horns ... run for your lives.<br><br>
#4357 - 04/20/0207:47 PMWell, you know, my sweetie hunts ants...
And please accept my humble apologies about the LCD. Even as I type, I am simultaneously creating a coupon for a free package of KlearScreen wipes that will look good enough for you to pawn off on the part time 17-year-old clerk that works every other Thursday at OfficeMax! Enjoy!<br><br>
I know the last days could make you forget the value of such boards, but I for one enjoy the community of minds and spirits. You Bukk are an excellent such contributor. I've found it nice to have a place where it's okay to talk about almost anything that's on your mind, versus real life, which is far more restrictive than MC could ever dream of being.<br><br>True, passion for forums may sound silly to an outsider, who might- like William Shatner on SNL- tell you to get a life. But we all have lives, and virtual friends aren't any less real than physical people you might meet but have nothing in common with.<br><br>Relax, chill. There are homes for you all over the place. All I know is that this happens to be one of them.<br><br>Peace,<br><br>NTO1<br><br>I'm sorry, but I must be staying..
Bukk, you bring up some interesting points, and in your usual articulate and passionate style. But it also points out something that, when you step back far enough to see the whole forrest, proves that all this gnashing of teeth really needs to stop. For our collective mental health. <br><br>When you compare this soap opera — let's call it "As The Stomach Turns" — to what matters in the real world and in our offline lives, you realize that we have all had our guts tied in knots over something incredibly trivial. Not to diminish the quality of all the people here or their contributions, but how important is all this? We all have lives, families, events. And real difficulties to deal with (witness iRock's mom). Yet the wrist-wringing continues over the comparatively unimportant actions of a few equally and comparatively unimportant people. These forums are supposed to be a form a recreation. Some folks play touch football, some water-ski, and some of us go online and seek out these electronic water-coolers. This isn't — or shouldn't be — the focal point of our lives, yet many are acting as if it is! What's worse, we've dragged our discontent into someone else's living room. Not only have we swarmed MM like bees seeking honey (bless you Stan for smiling graciously through the invasion), we've done it in an embarrassingly cranky way. For the "townies" here at MM, it must have felt like "Attack of the Malcontents".<br><br>I'm not gonna debate whether Jim did a bad thing or not. Nor am I giving up on MC just yet. But I can tell you that I'm glad to be here, too. And I, for one, do not wish to drag the MM population into the muck that is currently flooding the basement at MC. This is a happy place. Let's be considerate enough to keep it that way.<br>-30-<br><br>
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