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#434702 - 07/07/09 02:02 AM Who is right
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The kid hacker or Jobs

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"Apple doesn't have the right to tell me what I can put on my phone,"


Which also means you need to "jailbreak the phone"

IMO
Smart kid but wrong on both scenarios
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#434711 - 07/07/09 02:46 AM Re: Who is right [Re: carp]
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I agree with the kid on this one. I don't want anyone else telling me how to use something I spent that much money on.

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#434713 - 07/07/09 04:46 AM Re: Who is right [Re: carp]
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Yes, the kid is right that Apple shouldn't have the right to tell him what he can and cannot put on his iPhone ...

Yes, Steve is right that Apple shouldn't have to worry about supporting anything someone puts on their iPhone as a result, or worry about breaking it with updates ...

I think the main argument here is that Apple shouldn't bear responsibility for software it has no control over ...

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#434719 - 07/07/09 12:01 PM Re: Who is right [Re: six_of_one]
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Originally Posted By: six_of_one
I think the main argument here is that Apple shouldn't bear responsibility for software it has no control over ...



Yup.. you broke it, you own it
Too often Haxies doan play well with others
Attempting to do so should void the warrantee.
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#434745 - 07/07/09 06:24 PM Re: Who is right [Re: Celandine]
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"Yup.. you broke it, you own it"

A fallacy - no such law. at least not here in Ontario, Canada; despite all the signs in shops.
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#434747 - 07/07/09 06:47 PM Re: Who is right [Re: six_of_one]
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Your correct

However to jail break the phone is wrong no matter how right you think you are

I don't think Apples bears any responsibility for software it has no control over but whose to say what broke the phone ? I guess it is better to just fix the problem instead questioning your customers .
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#434750 - 07/07/09 07:01 PM Re: Who is right [Re: carp]
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To jailbreak a phone is the right of an individual purchaser. To expect a software provider, in this case Apple, to provide software/OS updates that provide for or work well with "unauthorized" alterations to the system is unrealistic.

Imagine buying a new automobile, from any manufacturer, and altering it for any purpose other than that which the manufacturer intended, and then expecting a dealer to cover under warranty an engine or transmission failure.

So - go ahead - freely alter your owned property, but understand fully all the paperwork that came with it. Steve can't have you arrested for cracking it, but he sure doesn't have to fix it for free either.
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#434753 - 07/07/09 08:41 PM Re: Who is right [Re: macbeemer]
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Originally Posted By: macbeemer
So - go ahead - freely alter your owned property, but understand fully all the paperwork that came with it. Steve can't have you arrested for cracking it, but he sure doesn't have to fix it for free either.
The voice of reason. Save the drama for your momma and live with the consequences of your actions - that's pretty much the end-all deal with jailbreaking.

It sucks that we're stuck with AT&T. It sucks that iTunes is the only way to get apps onto an iPhone/iPod Touch. But if you don't like those rules, nobody is forced into buying them. It sucks that we're stuck with that reality, but it is what it is.
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#434757 - 07/07/09 09:04 PM Re: Who is right [Re: macbeemer]
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To jailbreak a phone is the right of an individual purchaser


Sorry it's NO
You broke a agreement between seller and buyer , thats it end and simple

Quote:
but he sure doesn't have to fix it for free either.


Certainly Yes
But how many people try and say that Apple broke their jail break laugh Like with autos they remove their jail break and replace with original and take it back in under warranty .

The whole reason Apple does this or ANY company for that matter is to protect buyers from themselves and their products as well . To say the buyer has a "right" to do so is ludicrous but as you mention they can do it "at their own risk" STill who can tell if they jail broke and restored to file for warranty reasons ??
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#434758 - 07/07/09 09:13 PM Re: Who is right [Re: MacGizmo]
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It sucks that we're stuck with AT&T. It sucks that iTunes is the only way to get apps onto an iPhone/iPod Touch. But if you don't like those rules, nobody is forced into buying them. It sucks that we're stuck with that reality, but it is what it is.


Right JD
Thats the only way Apple can control the apps . Already there was them porn apps and shake the baby shiit . ghees what else breaks in ? If it was wide open all over the net what apps would be breaking the phone ? ? Who pays for it Apple Quality .

I agree about At&T - Apple should make the phone available on any GSM net work subsidized or not
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