#432593 - 06/15/0911:54 AMRe: New MacBook Pros with SD card slot…
[Re: MacBozo]
MicMeister
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It will be an issue for people who want to upgrade their HDDs and especially SSDs to faster and bigger ones either right after they buy the machine or some time later. This will basically cripple the faster SSDs on the market when put in MBPs.
#432601 - 06/15/0912:37 PMRe: New MacBook Pros with SD card slot…
[Re: MicMeister]
MacBozo
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I put an SATA 3.0 HDD into my wife's Mini and it works just fine (although, at 1.5). Can't vouch for SSDs, though. Do SSDs saturate the bus's bandwidth?
#432603 - 06/15/0901:23 PMRe: New MacBook Pros with SD card slot…
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MicMeister
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SSDs already can saturate the SATA 2 bandwidth and reverting the bus to SATA 1 bottlenecks it. It's the mechanical drives (HDDs) that most likely will not see a performance hit, but since SSD is the future, this move cuts that upgrade option.
There is, however, the effect on power consumption as SATA 1 bus reduces the overall consumption.
I wasn't aware Apple changed chips though till you mentioned it. The best 2.5 inch SATA II drive I've seen does 170 read/100 write. It's a 250G drive for around $600. Most are 150 or less R, 80 W.
I see your point, but it covers a very small share of the laptop market probably. Granted things always get cheaper bigger and faster, but Apple trying to cut price, power consumption, and cater to the majority of the market are the reasons I can think that they back graded the chip. I don't think the drives they use get near 150, my guess is they are in the 100 R 75 W range.
The majority of laptop owners will never upgrade I'd guess, do you plan on getting an SATA II drive to take advantage of that speed for example. Most people get laptops for convenience, not performance. If someone needs that much power on a daily basis they are probably going to opt for a tower where you can put bigger higher capacity drives that run faster than laptop drives and possibly connected to a PCI card capable of doing over 300.
You do have a nice machine and I'm just probably jealous BTW.
#432690 - 06/16/0903:22 AMRe: New MacBook Pros with SD card slot…
[Re: Jim_]
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I can't believe the new 13" MBP's don't have separate headphone & line-in jacks. They use one port to do double duty. That makes about ZERO sense to me.
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I can't believe the new 13" MBP's don't have separate headphone & line-in jacks. They use one port to do double duty. That makes about ZERO sense to me.
While external speakers are necessary for iChat w/o feedback, they are also nice for a few other things. However, i have found very few needs for and Line-in, since the built-in microphone. Most other stuff can come in via usb or FW.
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Thom Hogan, professional photographer, does NOT like the new SD card feature in the Macbook Pro.
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But the bad news: the ExpressCard slot is gone. In its place is a SD card reader. This is not a good trade, regardless of the fact that you can now carry an SD card as an emergency boot drive (yes, you read that right: repartition a standard SDHC card into GUID and you can make it bootable). But the problem is that the real pros that are buying the MacBook Pro need the slot for its bus access. It's what allows videographers to use extremely fast eSata drives, audiographers to use real digital input, and photographers to get decent external drive performance (for backups of images). There is no alternative available. "Use a Firewire card reader," says Apple. Apparently they don't come back to the hotel at the end of the day with several 16GB CompactFlash cards to download and to create backups of. If Steve Jobs had to sit in my room and chat with me while I waited for cards to transfer with the new machine and then to an external drive, there'd be a new model with the ExpressCard slot restored in days, I think.
Thing is, I thought us pro designers, illustrators, videographers, and photographers were relatively core to Apple's success. The message they're sending is "we don't design for you much any more." Great. The message we might send back is "we don't buy from you much any more, nor do we tend to recommend your product as much."
Couple such decisions with the now unswappable battery--what does Apple have against user-swappable batteries?--and the glossy-only screens, and the slower internal SATA bus (back to 1.5Gbs from 3, which slows any really fast SST drive you might want to use) and it seems we get as many steps backward as we do forward. But then, maybe Apple really wants to sell more to the masses now. Funny thing is, the masses want lower prices first and foremost. Us pros, we'll pay for the features we need.
I know, "just get a 17". Sorry, but the extra size and weight don't fit my bag needs or those of other pros. Personally, I don't need a new laptop yet (though I would have liked to address more memory), so I'll just skip another generation of update.
#432763 - 06/16/0901:04 PMRe: New MacBook Pros with SD card slot…
[Re: John Rougeux]
carp
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Interesting I thought the SD was for those huge camera guys ?
As for the non swappable battery , if I remember correctly at a keynote speech it was mentioned that non swappable saves on space and weight due to no "open / close" mechanism and the battery disconnect dohicky and those possible problems they may present .
#432773 - 06/16/0902:28 PMRe: New MacBook Pros with SD card slot…
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MicMeister
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I've read speculations before that the reason Apple dropped FW from laptops was to get the pros into buying towers again as many were favoring laptops as their workstations for video/photo/audio editing instead of the Pro towers or the top of the line MBPs. This might be a similar thing actually with what this pro says and downgrading the bus to SATA I as I've already read about similar speculations. Besides, AFAIK SD isn't in use in all the professional cameras anyhow. Actually, I'm still wondering what are the actual benefits for pros that the SD card slot offers. Emergency Boot?
This guy has good and valid points IMO. I guess you have to do real world graphics and creative/video/audio/photography work to fully see those points. The one thing about my new unibody MB 13" I don't like that much is the glossy screen. You go on editing a photo on it, especially a black and white one and when the light hits it in a certain angle you go 'hey what's that!? OH, that's my ugly mug reflecting off the screen...great...' Trust me, you don't want that glare and gloss when editing photos or doing graphics.
Then again, when I was doing that in a low-light condition it wasn't so bad and I also now have the big screen to work on, and it is non-glare. Another thing is, the viewing angle on the MB screen could be better, but still, it is still better than many mainstream laptops and the resolution is quite good.
Oh and Reboot, I might be getting a larger HDD on this one down the road, as I got the 250GB model -- forget paying the premium on getting a larger one preinstalled, many resellers charge the same rate as Apple Store on it -- and I got an Iomega Prestige 320gigger portable drive (Seagate SATA II 2.5" 5400rpm drive inside, btw) to accompany and put the old 320gigger LaCie Porsche as the Time Machine drive -- USB is fine for both as long as you don't need to do huge data transfers, I had the Iomega now housing my mp3s in the monitor's hub and not a glitch on iTunes playback. And the upgrade HDD will definitely be a SATA II drive if I end up getting one. I got this baby to be a portable and mobile workstation you know.
#432777 - 06/16/0903:33 PMRe: New MacBook Pros with SD card slot…
[Re: MicMeister]
carp
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I've read speculations before that the reason Apple dropped FW from laptops was to get the pros into buying towers again as many were favoring laptops as their workstations for video/photo/audio editing instead of the Pro towers or the top of the line MBPs.
I don't buy that at all - I mean sure they have laptops for traveling or on site work but a laptop will never replace a Tower for real crunching work and a pro would know that .
Sure he has some great points - but really where does it end trying to ""please everyone"" I mean if Apple kept the FW ports and ExpressCard slot some yahoo will bitch about there is no SD slot and on and on and on