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#427569 - 05/08/09 01:54 AM Re: One too many! [Re: carp]
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Well, what Afghan nationals get up to in their own country is a matter for the Afghan authorities.

I see... So your saying that the Taliban can murder its own civilians even if they are no longer their government

No, I'm saying that what Afghan nationals get up to in their own country is a matter for the Afghan authorities.

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#427591 - 05/08/09 12:45 PM Re: One too many! [Re: keymaker]
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No, I'm saying that what Afghan nationals get up to in their own country is a matter for the Afghan authorities.


Well, if they're suspected of committing war crimes and the domestic government declines to do anything about it, those crimes become an international matter ...

Regardless, what I believe Carp was getting at is that we haven't seen many posts from you demanding even the Afghan government, much less the international community, round up a few Taliban suspects and put them on trial for war crimes ...

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#427617 - 05/08/09 07:39 PM Re: One too many! [Re: six_of_one]
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Correct

Not to mention that the Taliban are not even the Afgan government but also attack from inside Pakistan , so that alone is international .
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#427711 - 05/09/09 07:02 PM Re: One too many! [Re: six_of_one]
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what I believe Carp was getting at is that we haven't seen... you demanding even the Afghan government... round up a few Taliban suspects

No that's not right... what I said was that "all suspects should be arrested and questioned...".

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#427722 - 05/09/09 07:28 PM Re: One too many! [Re: keymaker]
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Well it turns out after another day of investigation

1 - Afghan ground forces Karzai forces "directed" the air strike during a running battle with Taliban militants . This means the Afghans told the US where to bomb

2 - Afghan villagers eyewitness reported that Taliban militants rounded up and forced villagers into houses where they were attacking the Afghan forces from = human shields

If anyone should be arrested is the Taliban for using human shields - Keep in mind that the Taliban knows the civilian are upset over collateral deaths so they deliberately create more to gain local suport
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#427726 - 05/09/09 07:40 PM Re: One too many! [Re: carp]
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it turns out after another day of investigation 1 - Afghan ground forces Karzai forces "directed" the air strike during a running battle with Taliban militants . This means the Afghans told the US where to bomb

Turns out? Your assertions haven't been very reliable in the past so I think we need to start with what you're relying on when you say "turns out"?

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#427734 - 05/09/09 08:22 PM Re: One too many! [Re: keymaker]
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when the governor called in pro-government troops to repel Taliban fighters who had been harassing locals and firing at police. A joint Afghan and U.S. patrol battled with the militants for several hours in two villages before calling for airstrikes.


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"Reports also indicate that Taliban fighters deliberately forced villagers into houses from which they then attacked ANSF and Coalition forces."


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U.S. officials have said for months that Taliban fighters are acutely aware of the public anger that civilian casualties cause and actively seek to encourage such deaths to increase


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A military statement describing the initial results of the investigation condemned Taliban militants for deliberately targeting Afghan civilians and using them as human shields.

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#427737 - 05/09/09 08:41 PM Re: One too many! [Re: carp]
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I didn't think you'd provide a link. Having sourced your first quotation we see that it's quite unreliable - one of US origin whistle lacking any credibility for no man should be a judge in his own cause.

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#427742 - 05/09/09 09:00 PM Re: One too many! [Re: keymaker]
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Any link that does not support your views is unreliable - hence why I did not post it the first time

Keep in mind that Afghans did the reporting , the link is just the messenger .
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#427760 - 05/09/09 10:37 PM Re: One too many! [Re: keymaker]
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No that's not right... what I said was that "all suspects should be arrested and questioned...".


Well, your OP cites an alleged atrocity committed by the US Air Force followed by a demand that "the culprits" be arrested and brought to trial ... no demand, however, that the Taliban who allegedly beheaded villagers in the same incident or used them as human shields be similarly brought to trial ...

However, I guess I'm still missing a "One too many!" post in which you demand -- with similar fervor you grace your many, many demands to arrest US personnel -- the arrest and prosecution of Taliban culprits for similar alleged war crimes ...

Your demands seem pretty one-sided I guess would be the point ...

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