What is hilariously funny in a real stupid way is that we invade a country, remove a government, install a government, ask that government for clearance to blow up their civilians, then go and bomb those civilians which include women and children, and then we sit and discuss how militant women can be and how the Taliban is tricking us into bombing human shields as if this could somehow justify the policy.
So much for winning hearts and minds. Obama is continuing the mistake of Bush. That we can somehow bomb a country into submission.
Are we this stupid? I guess we are. It took the Russians ten years to admit how stupid it was. It looks like it will take us even more time. All we do by creating videos of dismembered women and children in hospitals is create more enemies. We need to look in the mirror and consider how stupid that policy is. Bombing women and children in some western province of Afghanistan is justified because Osama bin Laden caused such mayhem for us on 9/11.
For the people being bombed, that justification wore thin long ago. Discussing the militancy of those women and children would make them laugh if they could ever grasp the ironical absurdity of the opinion.
KM is making everyone angry because he is pointing out the rules of warfare which make the pilot culpable. The only thing he is doing wrong is not explaining how the pilot is only one small cog in the wheel of a gigantic terrorist creating engine which is our war policy in Afghanistan.
My one fear in electing a liberal Democrat is that Obama now has to earn street cred on national defense by acting tough. And so it goes.
#428360 - 05/14/0911:19 AMRe: One too many!
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carp
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The Afghan government is elected by its people - Yes at one time it was a puppet but not now
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The only thing he is doing wrong is not explaining how the pilot is only one small cog in the wheel of a gigantic terrorist creating engine which is our war policy in Afghanistan.
What km is doing wrong is he is not holding the Taliban responsible for starting the battle in the first place and using human shields
#428371 - 05/14/0912:12 PMRe: One too many!
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keymaker
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gives me the impression that if a civilian is killed in an air strike you believe all pilots should as a matter of course be arrested
We're not talking about 'a' civilian but 147 civilians including women and children following the 60 children among 90 civilians killed in a similar strike last August and others before that.
Those two atrocities, serious though they are, account for fewer than one half of the 650 plus civilians killed by US pilots last year and so far this year. Enough is enough. I wouldn't as a matter of course arrest a pilot for killing one civilian but I would demand it when there appears to be a policy of systematic genocide. You go on about the organised system of ground based instructions to pilots as though they're recognised by law. This is completely wrong. Any system for co-ordinating air strikes that is liable to result in civilian deaths or casualties is contrary to the Statute of Rome as an act of genocide, a war crime, or crime against humanity.
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you have presented zero evidence a pilot acted autonomously against instructions.
Evidence is for the court... that's the whole point of arresting someone - to obtain evidence.
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Your propositions have thus far been pure speculation on your part... people shouldn't be arrested and brought before a court on nothing but speculation.
The killing of civilians by US pilots is a fact, not speculation, and that's enough to justify arrest.
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I'm asking why you insist on arresting and prosecuting people without any credible evidence they are guilty of a crime.
Oh - there's definitely credible evidence of a crime namely large numbers of civilian deaths and casualties caused by US air strikes on residential property.
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if you have evidence... that a pilot willfully ignored direction and attacked a target he knew to be of no military importance, please present it ...
Not a problem, although you're reinterpretation of what I said is a misrepresentation. I didn't say strikes that a pilot "knew to be of no military importance" but that nothing in your posts allowed for the possibility of a pilots exceeding ground based instructions - which of course can occur recklessly as well as knowingly. But with regard to substance you're saying that the pilots were relying on ground based instructions that the targets presented no threat to civilians. In fact, the targets that were struck killed large numbers of civilians so there's a discrepancy - one that suggests that they hit the wrong target. You can ignore that little problem if you like but most people outside of the United States want to know why it happened because of the civilians, women and children now being mourned.
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The mere fact that it's made of mud or that it is located in a village indicates nothing one way or another - it's simply a building
No, that's not right - in Bala Baluk if it's made of mud it'll be someone's home.
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why should a pilot expect to be arrested and prosecuted for failing to make such a supernatural divination?
Anyone who kills civilians including women and children should be arrested and questioned and if there's a case to answer - prosecuted for any apparent offences contrary to the Statute of Rome. There's not one law for US Pilots and another one for everyone else.
#428372 - 05/14/0912:34 PMRe: One too many!
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carp
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that's the whole point of arresting someone - to obtain evidence.
Is that how its done in the UK ? In the US you cannot arrest anyone without first having evidence
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The killing of civilians by US pilots is a fact, not speculation, and that's enough to justify arrest.
Again your assuming where is the autopsy evidence ? Those civilians all could have been dead at the hands of the Taliban before the bombings
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Oh - there's definitely credible evidence of a crime namely large numbers of civilian deaths and casualties caused by US air strikes on residential property.
Present this evidence you claim to have ? Keep in mind that an enemy combatant enters a private residence and conducts military operations from such residence it now becomes a legal military target
And obviously anti-class, too. We can always count on you for our daily minimum requirement of vulgar hysteria.
I certainly hope you don't eat with that mouth. Or kiss your mother.
cut me some slack (JO) here I was trying to be SO Good by having restrained myself from adding THIS to that Post, then you come along and ruin it.
...and mom passed last year... I told a few members privately but was afraid to post it in the open forum ...afraid you'd make one of Your StoopidA$$ Cracks™ and I'd be forced to ...er... 'take you to task' over it.
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