Just a slice of the time line - In a sense UNSCOM can never say at 100% that Iraq has no WMDs
And that is the end of an argument based on semantics. Are you taking lessons from KM?
It is impossible to prove a negative. Take these two statements:
1)The Invisible Pink Unicorn does not exist. 2) There are no WMD in Iraq.
Both are completely impossible to verify. But to an ordinary sentient human who has cognitive skills and who has been awake for most of the past decade it is quite easy to be very sure that both statements are true.
I am not going to start a war because no one believes in my invisible pink unicorn. But most wars are predicated on the same type of idiocy like my belief in a different invisible deity than your invisible deity.
#425531 - 04/23/0902:42 PMRe: Three cheers for torture!
[Re: carp]
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Well, you wanted to know when Iraqi WMDs were acceptable, the '80s would be your decade ... and yes, the samples they used for weaponization were provided by the CDC amongst others ...
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Yes and No
According to Scott Ritter, who was in charge of inspections for the UN before Blix took over -- and who vehemently believed Iraq had a WMD program in 1998, in 2002 revised his estimation:
"He says he would ''be surprised if there is anything in Iraq worth finding,'' claiming inspection efforts between 1991 and 1998 resulted in the Iraqis giving up 90 to 95 percent of their most deadly weapons, rendering Saddam ''fundamentally disarmed'' -- if still unrepentantly evil." very interesting source on Ritter
Add to that that Blix and company never really found anything, and that neither did we after invading Iraq and looking for WMDs -- I think it would be safe to interpret all of that to mean Iraq had no substantial capability a few years after the first gulf war ...
Well, you wanted to know when Iraqi WMDs were acceptable, the '80s would be your decade ... and yes, the samples they used for weaponization were provided by the CDC amongst others ...
I think the biological pathogens came from Fort Dietrick, MD - that's where the BioWeapons program was (and has been for 5 decades). We didn't have a BioTerrorism group at CDC until after 2000. I know 3 people who helped organize it.
Remember the same 3 that were told of the Iraq invasion 22 months in advance (April 2001) !
#425578 - 04/23/0904:58 PMRe: Three cheers for torture!
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carp
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Originally Posted By: DLC
Originally Posted By: six_of_one
Well, you wanted to know when Iraqi WMDs were acceptable, the '80s would be your decade ... and yes, the samples they used for weaponization were provided by the CDC amongst others ...
I think the biological pathogens came from Fort Dietrick, MD - that's where the BioWeapons program was (and has been for 5 decades). We didn't have a BioTerrorism group at CDC until after 2000. I know 3 people who helped organize it.
Remember the same 3 that were told of the Iraq invasion 22 months in advance (April 2001) !
I believe the pathogens came from a American company based in Euro at the time
#425583 - 04/23/0905:09 PMRe: Three cheers for torture!
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carp
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Add to that that Blix and company never really found anything,
Blix and Ritter were only shown by Iraq what they wanted them to inspect - Read the time line its riddled with inspections constantly being blocked or inspectors asked to leave the country then let back in after Iraq clean up .
If you don't have anything to hide , why hide it
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and that neither did we after invading Iraq and looking for WMDs
That only means we did not find WMDs yet - keep in mind that Iraq is about the size of California <-- it would be easy to hide shiit all over the country , do you think its gonna be a building with a sign on it most likely in an underground bunker deep under the sand
#425584 - 04/23/0905:18 PMRe: Three cheers for torture!
[Re: polymerase]
carp
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Originally Posted By: polymerase
Originally Posted By: carp
Just a slice of the time line - In a sense UNSCOM can never say at 100% that Iraq has no WMDs
And that is the end of an argument based on semantics. Are you taking lessons from KM?
It is impossible to prove a negative. Take these two statements:
1)The Invisible Pink Unicorn does not exist. 2) There are no WMD in Iraq.
Both are completely impossible to verify. But to an ordinary sentient human who has cognitive skills and who has been awake for most of the past decade it is quite easy to be very sure that both statements are true.
I am not going to start a war because no one believes in my invisible pink unicorn. But most wars are predicated on the same type of idiocy like my belief in a different invisible deity than your invisible deity.
Correct
Hence why I get sorta peeved when people proclaim that Iraq did not have WMDs - No one can say for sure , even when Iraq admits to having them and theres evidence that they do have them and yet nobody can find them ? So that means that Iraq never had them <-- thats a whole bunch of Bullshiit
So, are you saying that the great unseen Pink One has the WMD?
Yes, and she is quite peeved that Saddam is still getting the credit for making them all vanish when it was her ethereal pinkness (mhhnbs) who did the hiding.