We'll see if this holds up, but some information coming out documents that the Bush administration authorized torture NOT to protect us from further attacks, but that they were frustrated they couldn't get any captives to confess a connection between Saddam and Bin Laden, This was a CYA measure when they couldn't find any WMDs to justify the invasion and were scrambling for ANY justification for preemptively attacking Iraq.

Some of this comes from a Senate Arms Services investigation of which John McCain is a member.

GEEZus ... if that turns out to be factual - man is that condemning !!

The big culprits... Cheney and Rumsfield ! Bush might get off on the grounds he was so inept - he really didn't know WTF was going on. I'm not buying that... that just some peoples' comments.

Retired Brigadier General Janis Karpinski says that Bush, Cheney and Rummy abandoned the troops by letting them take the heat for policies they ordered, and suggests since there was an International Coalition, members of the participating nations should have representatives serving in a future Investigative panel. Also removes much of the politics from the activity.

Is this another Watergate ? (regardless that Bush has left office - he still could be responsible and held accountable)

How can we as a nation claim to have a higher standard if we let this crap slide and sweep it under the rug ? It's not just past history... it directly affects our future.

That would be a pretty sick scenario which at the time would seem far fetched because it is so ludicrous but now one could imagine Cheney and Rumsfield grasping at straws after there were no WMDs and no connection between Saddam and Bin Laden.


No WMD and no Saddam Osama so they actually started getting worried that someone would call them on it. So they started beating and torturing WMD and Obama connections out of their victims that have been picked off the street in Baghdad because someone had a grudge and wanted a reward.

And to top it off they throw the troops under the bus when they are called on the torture. England is convicted as well as others for being "a few bad apples" when it was the rotten apples at the top.

There really is no end to how grotesque these people are.

yes they're beginning to look as evil as the terrorists they say threaten us..

IF (we'll see) they perpetrated this, how are they any different ?

they lied, they killed for ideaology, and they were merciless on who they hurt- innocent as well as guilty.. innocents included our own troops , not to mention 10,000s of Iraqi citizens who were killed in the conflict and whose country they all but destroyed.

In addition they put OUR country on financial edge with all the $Trillions they wasted on this foul fallacy military adventure. We won't even touch on the economic policies and lack of regulatory oversight.

They are or they surely seem to be a real EVIL deal in many ways, at many times.


Here's a link to a video with Karpinski's comments to KO in Countdown.
Janis Karpinski to Dick Cheney: Where Were You Five Years Ago?

Fmr. Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski:
"They were well aware, these people, Rumsfeld, Sanchez, all of them and were well aware of these policies and these memorandums while these soldiers were being accused....five years ago. And if it was okay Mr. Former Vice President, if you're saying that this was necessary today and that it produced good intelligence..where were you five years ago stepping up to the plate and saying hold on, we can't discuss this because this is classified information, but these soldiers did not design these techniques? Where were all of those heros then to step up to the plate and defend these soldiers and to defend me? These were soldiers that were serving in a combat zone that were good Americans and remain good Americans and that were so unfairly blamed. Five years this month to get these memos released, declassified and released and people still trying to say that what happened at Abu Ghraib was different than what these memorandums were directing. No! It is not!"

I saw that segment and she was spot on in every way.

That KO show was great.

I wonder when CBS, NBC, or ABC are going to cover this for what it is. The other night Jeff Greenfield was called upon by Katie Couric for his "expertise" and he characterized what the Bush administration did as "bad things." This, of course, was not a lack of eloquence, but a lack of truth. This was euphemism. The Bush administration did ILLEGAL things, brutal things, performed confinement and torture, even on many people who were completely innocent, but in the wrong place at the wrong time. They did "bad things," according to Jeff Greenfield---isn't it wonderful that they hauled him out so he could say that?

What whores they all are! Simple, humble "reality" is what millions of people require, to counter the non-stop lying and propaganda of Cheney, Gingrich, Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck, and the rest. Say clearly the simple, awful truth! But they won't! And a lot of people really NEED to be clued in, somewhere, by someone.

And Jeff Greenfield , of course, is one of our senior journalists!

Hannity being waterboarded? I'd pay to see that! Of course, you'd have to add in being arrested by the military that speaks a different language, thrown into prison and already be in fear for your life before the waterboarding for it to be really effective. Simply walking in like it was a day at the pool won't work.

I pledge ten dollars for every second Hannity lasts.

Is this a way to finance the "inquisition?"