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#424785 - 04/18/09 12:05 AM Re: Hip, hip, HOORAY! [Re: carp]
polymerase Offline


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Seaside town called Rockport and called that for a reason. The town is full of water filled quarries which were carved out to make the Washington Monument, the base of the Statue of Liberty, cobblestones on Park Avenue in Manattan and a lot of other things before the invention of concrete and the Depression killed the industry.

Now they are just good swimming holes when waiting for the ocean to warm up. The Atlantic is at 43F from Newport RI to Maine.

Got a quarry about a hundred yards from my house which has a huge wall on the North of granite which catches all the sun and warms the water. I'm jumping in.

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#424790 - 04/18/09 12:37 AM Re: Hip, hip, HOORAY! [Re: polymerase]
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Oregon

Registered: 02/04/08
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Loc: McMinnville, Oregon

Don't go. . .

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INTO QUARRY'S DEPTHS NO MORE MDC NEARLY FINISHED FILLING DANGEROUS SITE, BUT CLIMBABLE ROCK WALLS REMAIN
The Boston Globe; Oct 18, 2001; Robert Preer, Globe Correspondent ; 679 Words ...rise against the horizon at Granite Rail Quarry in West Quincy, towering over...sprouted grass. The filling of Granite Rail Quarry, the best known and most accessible...discovered in the water of Granite Rail Quarry. When divers discovered the...

The Boston Globe
Robot camera fails to find missing man in Quincy quarries
The Boston Globe; Jul 27, 1994; 271 Words ...Mark II explored first the Granite Rail Quarry and upon finding nothing...team had already searched the Granite Rail Quarry several times without success...he and McDonagh went to the Granite Rail Quarry to drink beer June 26. Walsh...

The Boston Herald
Girlfriend watched Rockland youth fall to his death in Quincy.
The Boston Herald; Sep 26, 1998; Weber, David ; 700+ Words ...from the highest point above Granite Rail Quarry. Jan. 3, 1995: Karen Hammond...was murdered and dumped into Granite Rail Quarry. Authorities are still unsure...Stoughton, was found on a shelf in Granite Rail Quarry. She was murdered, and her...

The Boston Globe
An emergency at the quarries
The Boston Globe; Aug 13, 1997; 315 Words ...19-year-old Patrick McDonagh, believed drowned in the Granite Rail Quarry, that the state would drain the site. The Legislature...that at least $2 million would be needed to drain Granite Rail Quarry, and that would still leave two other popular quarries...

The Boston Globe
Quincy quarry draining hits legal snag
The Boston Globe; Jul 31, 1998; Peter J. Howe, Globe Staff and Daniel Grech, Globe Correspondent ; 591 Words ...block plans to drain the Granite Rail Quarry water level by 115 feet...spot. Pumping out half of Granite Rail's estimated 140 million...died since 1960 diving into Granite Rail and nearby quarries. Hoping...was found in the Granite Rail Quarry, more than ...

The Boston Globe
Teens recount quarry's lure for `free spirit'
The Boston Globe; Aug 2, 1998; Marcella Bombardieri, Globe Correspondent ; 487 Words ...strolled around the nearby Granite Rail Quarry in the hot sun, apparently...26, of Quincy drowned in Granite Rail Quarry last August. Swingle's Quarry...in the air. A plan to drain Granite Rail Quarry has been in the works for...

The Boston Globe
Camera to be used in quarry search
The Boston Globe; Jun 30, 1994; Paul Langner, Globe Staff ; 363 Words ...into the 260-foot waters of Granite Rail Quarry in an attempt to locate Patrick...searchers are concentrating on Granite Rail Quarry, which is part of the MDC...considering such a move at the Granite Rail Quarry. At the quarries yesterday...

The Boston Globe
Quarry historical, recreational site envisioned Park at quarries envisioned; plan might deter swimmers
The Boston Globe; May 2, 1999; Robert Preer, Globe Correspondent ; 700+ Words ...some unpleasant realities. Granite Rail Quarry, the most accessible of the...worry that the draining of Granite Rail Quarry, which should be completed...no plan for the future of Granite Rail Quarry or for the quarry area as...

The Boston Globe
24-hour patrols considered for Quincy quarries
The Boston Globe; Aug 15, 1997; Doris Sue Wong, Globe Staff ; 277 Words ...000 study into the feasibility of draining the Granite Rail Quarry. "There may be some good things about draining...weekend of Thomas L. Roberts, 26, of Quincy, in the Granite Rail Quarry. At least a dozen people are known to have died...

The Boston Globe
RISING TO THE CHALLENGE QUARRY SITE PROVIDES PLAYGROUND FOR CLIMBERS
The Boston Globe; Aug 1, 2002; Elizabeth Shelburne, Globe Correspondent ; 495 Words ...over huge blocks of granite that separate two main...fill-in of the former Granite Rail Quarry in Quincy, while initially...times. The rocks at the Granite Rail Quarry off Ricciuti Drive are a hard gray granite, nearly covered in some...

The Boston Globe
Grief revisits Quincy quarry after youth drowns
The Boston Globe; Sep 26, 1998; Stephanie Ebbert, Globe Staff ; 582 Words ...in the depths of the adjacent Granite Rail Quarry. Rock climbing is prohibited at Swingle's but permitted at Granite Rail. Swimming is banned at both...begin the draining of Granite Rail Quarry after a fight with conservationists...

The Boston Herald
Divers search for swimmer missing in Quincy quarry.
The Boston Herald; Aug 10, 1997; Mallia, Joseph ; 278 Words ...of a 27-year-old man who may have drowned at the Granite Rail quarry in Quincy, police said. A call came in at around...stalled efforts to fill the others, Hodgdon said. The Granite Rail Quarry is the same spot where an Irish youth, Patrick...

The Boston Globe
Police identify body of woman found in quarry
The Boston Globe; Nov 22, 1994; Michele R. McPhee, Contributing Reporter ; 182 Words ...have identified the body of a young woman who was found in the Granite Rail Quarry in Quincy on Saturday with a cement block tied around her neck...initially thought the body might be his. He was last seen at the Granite Rail Quarry last summer.

The Boston Globe
Focus again on quarry dangers Search continues for missing man
The Boston Globe; Jun 29, 1994; Paul Langner, Globe Staff ; 586 Words ...police searched water-filled granite quarries and the woods surrounding...Commission, which oversees the Granite Rail Quarry, one of two being searched...300-to-400-foot water depths, both the Granite Rail Quarry and neighboring Swingle's...

The Boston Globe
Police remove cars from quarry
The Boston Globe; Oct 9, 1998; Cindy Rodriguez, Globe Staff ; 433 Words ...from the murky waters of the Granite Rail Quarry in Quincy yesterday, removing...bodies dumped in the water. Granite Rail Quarry and nearby Swingle's Quarry...day. Last November in the Granite Rail Quarry, divers found the body of...

The Boston Herald
Search for body grows as quarry nearly drained.
The Boston Herald; Jul 9, 1999; Talbot, David ; 369 Words ...position over the nearly drained Granite Rail Quarry yesterday as the search for...17 people have died at the Granite Rail and adjoining Swingle's quarry...search of the nearly drained Granite Rail Quarry in Quincy yesterday. Right...

The Boston Globe
FINAL REST
The Boston Globe; Dec 12, 1997; 43 Words Friends and relatives mourn as the casket of P.J. McDonagh is carried into St. Mark Church in Dorchester. McDonagh's body was found at the bottom of the Granite Rail Quarry on Nov. 27. He had been missing for more than three years. / GLOBE STAFF PHOTO/WENDY MAEDA @ART:PHOTO

The Boston Globe
Options on quarry trespassing: Nab or bag
The Boston Globe; Aug 23, 1998; Bella English ; 700+ Words ...half the water from the Granite Rail Quarry, one of the area's most...maintained a 24-hour patrol at Granite Rail, but there are several dozen...thriving center of the nation's granite industry -- have been used...might have been dumped in Granite Rail Quarry. ...

The Boston Herald
Death of Milton man renews calls for draining.
The Boston Herald; Aug 1, 1998; Hayward, Ed ; 454 Words Smaller and less notorious than nearby Granite Rail Quarry, the dark hole known as Walt's Quarry...yesterday. The quarry, much smaller than Granite Rail or Swingles Quarry down the road, is...unrecovered body have been found in Granite Rail in the last four years, prompting ...

The Boston Herald
Police cracking down on Quincy quarry diving.
The Boston Herald; Aug 19, 1997; Johnson, Jason B. ; 137 Words ...arrest illegal swimmers at dangerous spots such as the Granite Rail Quarry, officials said yesterday. Both uniformed and plain-cloth...came after Thomas Roberts, 26, of Quincy, drowned in Rail Quarry after jumping from a 70-foot ledge on Aug. 9. Youths...

The Boston Globe
Quarry search halted for missing student
The Boston Globe; Jul 7, 1994; Paul Langner, Globe Staff ; 424 Words ...Police investigators have stopped searching the Granite Rail Quarry here for a 19-year-old man visiting here from Ireland...on them in various Dorchester neighborhoods. The Granite Rail Quarry and the neighboring Swingle's Quarry have taken...

The Boston Globe
Teen falls to death in Quincy quarry
The Boston Globe; Sep 25, 1998; Cindy Rodriguez, Globe Staff ; 549 Words ...remains he believes to be at the bottom of nearby Granite Rail Quarry. "I've been telling that to everyone for years...area around the clock. Rock climbing is allowed at Granite Rail Quarry, but not at Swingle's. Officials had been draining...

The Boston Globe
Quarry search resumes today
The Boston Globe; Apr 6, 1999; 55 Words QUINCY -- An underwater search of the Granite Rail Quarry using a high-technology camera will resume today to look for a body as part of a homicide investigation, officials said. Norfolk...

The Boston Globe
Search of quarry for body to resume Parents certain fate of daughter will be learned
The Boston Globe; Dec 21, 1998; Beth Daley, Globe Staff ; 328 Words Diving for the remains of a woman's body in Quincy's Granite Rail Quarry is scheduled to begin next week, the father of...divers found the the body of P.J. McDonagh in the Granite Rail quarry and during the search, spotted the remains of a...

The Boston Globe
Vigil held for missing Irish student Police halt search of Quincy quarry
The Boston Globe; Jul 7, 1994; Paul Langner, Globe Staff ; 548 Words ...Irish student Patrick McDonagh gathered at the Granite Rail Quarry in Quincy at a candlelight vigil last night. "We'...vigil still hope that McDonagh will be found. The Granite Rail Quarry and the neighboring Swingle's Quarry have taken...

The Boston Globe
FAMILY SUES TO HALT PLAN TO FILL QUARRY
The Boston Globe; Dec 19, 2000; 92 Words ...since Jan. 3, 1995, filed a lawsuit yesterday seeking an injunction to halt the state's plans to fill the Quincy Granite Rail Quarry, where they suspect their daughter's body is located, according to WBZ-TV. Charles Hammond of Dorchester, told...

The Boston Globe
Divers believe body in quarry
The Boston Globe; Nov 21, 1997; 79 Words QUINCY -- Divers searching the Granite Rail Quarry spotted what they believe to be the body of a woman yesterday afternoon, and will return today to recover it, officials said. Three...

The Boston Globe
Weekend patrol of quarry ordered
The Boston Globe; Aug 16, 1997; 69 Words ...Secretary Kathleen O'Toole yesterday ordered State Police to post a round-the-clock guard to keep swimmers out of the Granite Rail Quarry in Quincy through the weekend. A spokesman for O'Toole said discussions will begin Monday among State and Quincy...

The Boston Globe
QUARRY SEARCH
The Boston Globe; Apr 12, 1999; 68 Words ...the background, paused yesterday while speaking to reporters about the search for his daughter Karen's body at Granite Rail Quarry in Quincy. David Traub, a spokesman for Norfolk District Attorney William Keating, said an underground camera...

The Boston Globe
CORRECTION
The Boston Globe; Dec 30, 2000; 65 Words ...in the Dec. 21 City & Region section on Charles Hammond's unsuccessful attempt to block the filling of Quincy's Granite Rail Quarry incorrectly stated that a prison informant told officials in 1997 that Hammond's missing daughter, Karen, had...

The Boston Herald
Deal reached on quarry draining.
The Boston Herald; Aug 4, 1998; 101 Words ...to drain a Quincy quarry where officials believe at least one body is submerged. At a meeting last night at the Granite Rail Quarry, members of the Appalachian Mountain Club and the Friends of the Blue Hills came to a tentative agreement. Officials...

The Boston Globe
Stoneham man hurt in quarry fall
The Boston Globe; Nov 15, 1998; 72 Words QUINCY -- A 48-year-old Stoneham man who was rock climbing at the Granite Rail Quarry in Quincy was injured when he slipped and fell 70 feet yesterday morning, police said. Two off-duty Brockton firefighters who happened...

The Boston Globe
Quarry searched for missing man
The Boston Globe; Aug 10, 1997; 85 Words ...Rescue divers searched for two hours last night for a 27-year-old Quincy man who was reported missing at the Granite Rail Quarry. Police declined to identify the missing man, but said friends claimed they last saw him jump off a cliff into...

The Boston Globe
PUMPING TO BEGIN AT QUARRY
The Boston Globe; Nov 3, 2000; RAPHAEL LEWIS ; 170 Words Big Dig crews today will begin pumping water out of Quincy's Granite Rail quarry to make way for 660,000 tons of dirt being excavated from the highway project, officials said yesterday. The pumping operation...

The Boston Herald
Divers remove cars, ready to drain quarry.
The Boston Herald; Oct 9, 1998; Donlan, Ann E. ; 174 Words Three junk cars were removed yesterday from Quincy's Granite Rail Quarry in preparation for the recovery of a body that police saw nearly a year ago in its murky depths. State and Quincy police are coordinating...

The Boston Herald
For Big Dig, dirty deeds are far from dirt cheap.(News)
The Boston Herald; May 12, 2001; Hanchett, Doug ; 539 Words ...in 2005. With the controversial filling of the Granite Rail Quarry in Quincy moving along faster than expected, project...Quarry Hills development and more recently at the Granite Rail Quarry. That's far below the going market rate for dirt...

The Boston Globe
Cellucci urges action on making quarry safe
The Boston Globe; Aug 14, 1997; Doris Sue Wong and Don Aucoin, Globe Staff ; 200 Words Acting Governor Paul Cellucci has directed state officials to immediately look into ways to make the Granite Rail Quarry in Quincy safe. "It's a priority for me, and now it is a priority for the MDC," Cellucci said yesterday in a interview with the...

The Boston Globe
GROUP TAKES STEP TO HALT QUARRY FILLING
The Boston Globe; Nov 18, 2000; 111 Words A group of 14 Quincy merchants and environmentalists who oppose plans to fill Quincy's Granite Rail Quarry with mildly contaminated Big Dig dirt filed court papers yesterday seeking an immediate halt to the project, set to begin shortly...

The Boston Globe
DA WEIGHS PLANS TO DRAIN QUINCY QUARRY
The Boston Globe; Jan 8, 1998; Stephanis Ebbert, Globe Staff ; 224 Words Stymied by unsuccessful searches for bodies believed to be in the Granite Rail Quarry, Norfolk District Attorney Jeffrey Locke has begun meetings to try to find a way to drain it. Locke met yesterday with the developer...

The Boston Globe
Stoughton girl was quarry victim
The Boston Globe; Nov 23, 1994; Paul Langner, Globe Staff ; 200 Words ...say Sonia Leal was apparently murdered before her body was weighted down with a concrete block and dumped into Granite Rail Quarry. The body was spotted on a ledge about 15 feet below the surface by two hikers. Police said the body was partially...

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#424799 - 04/18/09 01:41 AM Re: Hip, hip, HOORAY! [Re: starmillway]
polymerase Offline


Registered: 04/19/02
Posts: 11640
Not really sure what the difference between the Quincy quarries and the Rockport quarries but I have read all those stories. A little too close to too many people and that is where you go and burn cars and drop stuff in quarries. All the quarries are fenced off and out of bounds making them even more intriguing for high school kids.

Up here the quarries are all out there in public access. I've been swimming in them for forty years and I think there have been a few broken arms but nothing worse. Kids swim without parents or lifeguards. Kids are trusted to not be stupid and dive off the high rocks. Amazing. Kids get hurt at the same rate they would doing other stuff like playing soccer.

Now kayaking in the ocean when it is only 42F water temp. That's crazy. But I got an ocean race I got to start prepping for. I promise I will stay within 50 yards of the shore.

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#424800 - 04/18/09 01:48 AM Re: Hip, hip, HOORAY! [Re: polymerase]
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Oregon

Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 1858
Loc: McMinnville, Oregon


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Now kayaking in the ocean when it is only 42F water temp. That's crazy. But I got an ocean race I got to start prepping for. I promise I will stay within 50 yards of the shore.


Don't go . . .






I'm the worry-wort grandmother type smile

Just keep your head about you and be your good ole careful self!

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#424801 - 04/18/09 01:59 AM Re: Hip, hip, HOORAY! [Re: starmillway]
polymerase Offline


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I stopped doing totally nutty stuff with the birth of my first child. (The wife won't let me skydive anymore or buy a motorcycle until the kids are through college.) I will be kayaking with my second but I am Mister Safety conscious now. Some wetsuit, PFDs, paddle floats, hand pumps, and radar reflectors, all on board.




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#424819 - 04/18/09 07:00 AM Re: Hip, hip, HOORAY! [Re: polymerase]
Celandine Offline
Madame Flutterbye

Registered: 01/18/04
Posts: 19510
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Kewl! grin

I learned to swim in WhiteStone Quarry in NJ.
Chrystal Clear spring fed, and as the name
implies... WHITE MARBLE...like a huge Roman Bath.

The only tricky bit was a RailRoad tunnel
they'd cut between the two adjoining quarries,
...scubba divers inevitably swim between them.

The old locomotive & cars are still at the bottom.
The story is that the workers struck a spring one
friday afternoon, and by monday morning.... eek

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#424823 - 04/18/09 12:20 PM Re: Hip, hip, HOORAY! [Re: polymerase]
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Making a new reply.

Registered: 04/19/02
Posts: 27495
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Ah Rockport, the flashbacks — the hippie kind and the nostalgic. In my MassArt days, we used to drive up there all the time for photo expeditions and to get thoroughly stoned! grin

More recent memories (90s) are the Saturday centuries I used to take up there. Sometimes solo and sometimes with other cyclists. Start out in Needham Center (Bergson's Ice Cream, now gone, was the meeting point) at around 7AM. Head out through Newton to Watertown to Cambridge, pick up Rte 99, through Revere then Salem and then follow the coast all the way to Rockport Center. Have a bite at the pier, and head home. About 108 miles round trip. A shade over five hours solo, closer to four with pace line.

No such ambiance in these here parts. frown
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#424841 - 04/18/09 06:45 PM Re: Hip, hip, HOORAY! [Re: steveg]
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Your memory of the event is the result of media input only. Mine, like so any others, is visceral. Physical, and deeply psychological.

Yeah personal recollections make no difference whatsoever - torture is a crime and should be dealt with as such.

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#424843 - 04/18/09 07:17 PM Re: Three cheers for torture! [Re: MattMac112]
DLC Offline
I invented modding!

Registered: 11/04/02
Posts: 20167
Loc: Lindale, TX (Tyler)
Matt, there is not ONE shred of evidence that all this torture saved ONE single attack on us...

Only one that believes that is Dick Cheney ( and a few other misled) ... the justification is all hypotheticals, "bait and switch", and "smoke and mirrors" !!


Even John McCain is dead set against it - he KNOWS it doesn't help us or serve our needs ..
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#424851 - 04/18/09 10:21 PM Re: Three cheers for torture! [Re: DLC]
carp Offline
Dino's are Babe magnets

Registered: 04/19/02
Posts: 27021
Loc: Hawaii
Correct David

However there is no way to prove that enhanced interrogation did not save one attack either ? I mean it goes both ways , only the terrorist can say for sure and I bet they will not say a thing .

McCains torture was built for humiliation and demoralizing the human spirit - Big difference from say like WW 2 when say the Germans wanted to know troop movements and troop strength and troop locations . Today with instant communications , satellites and TV news spilling their guts there is no need for torture for tactical reasons anymore , unless its for humiliation
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