Not much mystery about your meaning there. I wonder how "honored" you parents are to have given birth to a dispassionate, egocentric bigot. Or did you come off one of those Friday afternoon assembly lines?

I suspect it's gas. Always.

Dispassionate? Egocentric bigot? No, I just put that forward because it was the opinion of one of the world's leading experts in the field - Professor Ian Craft of the London Gynaecology and Fertility Centre. There may be a bigot around but I don't think it's him and I don't think it's me.

km

Not 'round here it's not.

km

It is for that individual and "literally, for all those concerned"-immediate family, extended family, friends and any stranger considering the same treatment. We quite possibly are talking hundreds of people affected by this treatment.

I think I understand your point - babies suffering from gastroschisis for example can't really expect us to pay for dialysis machines to save their lives when it would be the end of the world, so to speak, for infertile couples if we didn't use the money for IVF treatment?

km

I wouldn't expect you to get it. I wouldn't expect you to begin to understand or care about the insult and disdain you've aimed at those who cannot conceive "naturally", yet have as much right to parenthood as those who can just blink and pop out a child at will. I wouldn't expect you to get that couples who are willing to employ extraordinary measures to start a family are especially deserving because they are making an especially deliberate and considered decision to bring children into the world. But unfortunately, without at least some subsidy, those measures remain accessible only to certain economic profiles. I wouldn't expect you to get that parenthood is a right that every couple is due. Heterosexual couples, same sex couples, single parents. Natural conception, adoption, and IVF.

I repeat: dispassionate, egocentric bigot.

And the proof of this is where?

In the link, last paragraph:

"But if we had a machine that we could use much more freely, then we would be able to deal with many more babies and have a much greater chance of saving lives."

It's only an example of course - there are any number of deaths linked to lack of NHS funds.

km

But you don't really know there is not more money because of IVF.