Aye...
and I don't like seeing it used as "a get out of jail free card"
just like many people don't like seeing "affirmative action".

Nope we are so far ahead , those distant headlights in the rear view mirror , past is so far behind , its ridicules to bring them up aside from a history class and a TV documentary but to inject it back into the society is shear stupidity - but I guess Sharpton gets paid for that ? ? To teach "you , mainlanders" what we have here have already knew so long ago

You got a long way to go my friend - and don't look in the mirror , move forward

Ever been to a Buddhist Funeral ? ? - its a really beautiful experience and I am not saying its just different from the run of the mill Christian ones . Its truly a wonderful send off

You've been taking lessons from keymaker. Or hitting his bong.

my car example that you don't get was just me trying to say that blacks were slaves while whites were building wealth. whites were starting companies and building companies and buying better houses and getting better schools while blacks weren't even allowed to own houses or property or go to school and get an education. finally slavery ended, yet the white society had a huge head start and it wasn't even until your lifetime that the National Voting Rights Act of 1965 was passed that, "outlawed discriminatory voting practices that had been responsible for the widespread disenfranchisement of African Americans in the United States." (wikipedia)

so, in our lifetime we finally see voting equalities. we finally see everyone able to vote for the person they want to represent them in Gov't . . . that everyone can help create our Gov't and participate in our democracy. that's huge and it's no small feat! but it takes time to go from just voting to having actual representatives in Gov't. there are some, but look at the U.S. Senate. the car example was trying to show you that the historical head start of hundreds of years makes a difference even if people today weren't involved directly in slavery. society was already set up to benefit white people and you can just look at the fortune 500 companies and the number of white CEOs versus blacks.the wealth system has already been established so even with everything else being equal, the suburban schools are infinitely better than the urban schools in every city in America -- every single one. that's a huge benefit even if nobody alive today was a slave. i taught in a school with more than 70% free and reduced lunches where whites are the minority. i have taught in a school suburbans school as well. huge difference yet both are public schools. the kids in the suburbs have a big advantage and they can use that advantage to help get a leg up on life.

i certainly feel for the white people who are part of the 'have nots' of society. Obama addressed them in his race speech. they find themselves losing jobs to minorities because of Affirmative Action. i think we'll see the end of Affirmative Action in the not too distant future. i think the Supreme Court hinted that it's time is nearing. but the reason it's not over is because of the head starts that have been given to the white majority haves.

Further down Carp sez:


I may be entirely wrong but when you said "Let's move on. And why oh why can't these people move on? There must be something wrong with them, surely," you were being facetious or joshing big time! Carp thinks you meant what you said!

Then he describes the utopia he lives in and basks in! I'm glad he has it so great. I hope all other residents of the state feel the same way and enjoy what they have. But, . . .

I said in another thread that because we have a Black president does not mean that racial prejudice and injustice is not still going on in the United States. Your description of where you are is living proof there is still a lot of work to do. And from his posts I gather he thinks racial prejudice and injustice will go away if we just "move on" and do not bring it up. Don't discuss it. Ignore it and it will die and wither on the vine.

I don't think so.

The sardonic is easy to mistake, Kate. One of the great contemporary literary theorists, Robert Scholes, says that the ironic/sardonic is the most difficult category to perceive. I think he's right.

This is a common problem... it's the same with the Holocaust.

km

Well, the moronic political capital system is deeply entrenched and can't be rebuilt as a merit/expertise gubernatorial, until the system is allowed its certain inevitable supercession.

Hopefully, this will occur before the enormous, unwashed, unassimilated mass overwhelming health care and education, absorbing resources like a black hole, become the new Jews of the Holocaust.

Ed