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#405907 - 01/04/09 07:28 PM Re: How ya diddling? [Re: yoyo52]
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it was designed not to do much. If you give five different nations the right to veto any action that the collective will of the global community wants to take, then you're guaranteeing that nothing will get done

Yeah, that can be so frustrating... if by some fluke the Security Council does unanimously agree on something should it be observed by everyone?

km



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#405911 - 01/04/09 07:34 PM Re: How ya diddling? [Re: keymaker]
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Originally Posted By: keymaker
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it was designed not to do much. If you give five different nations the right to veto any action that the collective will of the global community wants to take, then you're guaranteeing that nothing will get done

Yeah, that can be so frustrating... if by some fluke the Security Council does unanimously agree on something should it be observed by everyone?

km




Thats the whole point - they don't have the means to enforce it , so why anyone would observe it ?
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#405914 - 01/04/09 07:42 PM Re: How ya diddling? [Re: keymaker]
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Yes if they are captured - normally suicide bombers are not...

A dash is conjunctive - you should have put a full stop there instead if you wanted to make disjunctive.

Anyway to run with what you actually meant - what should happen if someone does summarily execute a suspected terrorist instead of organising a trial - should they be prosecuted for murder?

km


In the post response box I cannot easily see the full stop "." so if you notice I tend to use a dash instead more often , maybe I'll use a double stop ..

Define your use of "summarily execute"
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#405925 - 01/04/09 08:20 PM Re: How ya diddling? [Re: carp]
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I cannot easily see the full stop

I wasn't meaning to sound critical - just explaining why I misunderstood your meaning.

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Define your use of "summarily execute"

Killing someone without due process - like firing a rocket at someone praying in a mosque for example.

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#405933 - 01/04/09 08:51 PM Re: How ya diddling? [Re: carp]
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Alternatively, if everyone observed it, there wouldn't be the need for any enforcement, n'est pas?

Of course, the chances of *everyone* agreeing to observe any single law is vanishingly small, hence the need for an effective enforcement mechanism ... which, as you point out, the UN currently lacks ...

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#405935 - 01/04/09 08:54 PM Subject line change [Re: keymaker]
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Gawd, I'm so sick of seeing "How ya diddling" in the new posts list. Makes me think this is a thread about child molesters.

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#405940 - 01/04/09 09:10 PM Re: How ya diddling? [Re: six_of_one]
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Of course, the chances of *everyone* agreeing to observe any single law is vanishingly small, hence the need for an effective enforcement mechanism ... which, as you point out, the UN currently lacks ...

Not as I point out, no, as you pointed out, wrongly, because the enforcement mechanisms are all there as Milosevic found out. All it takes is for the nations to vote for collective military action for example or for a tribunal to put suspects on trial.

The question I asked is whether, once the SC unanimously decides on something whether all the nations have to observe it?

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#405945 - 01/04/09 09:50 PM Re: How ya diddling? [Re: keymaker]
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Killing someone without due process - like firing a rocket at someone praying in a mosque for example


Praying for a right target for rockets just launched from the same mosque, to Israel civilians homes.
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#405947 - 01/04/09 09:59 PM Re: How ya diddling? [Re: Mactico]
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Killing someone without due process - like firing a rocket at someone praying in a mosque for example

Praying for a right target...

Ah, yeah that's not allowed.

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#405949 - 01/04/09 10:16 PM Re: How ya diddling? [Re: keymaker]
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I cannot easily see the full stop

I wasn't meaning to sound critical - just explaining why I misunderstood your meaning.

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Define your use of "summarily execute"

Killing someone without due process - like firing a rocket at someone praying in a mosque for example.

km


Thats called "collateral damage" I knew you were miss using the word summarily

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collateral damage — Unintentional or incidental injury or damage to persons or objects that would not be lawful military targets in the circumstances ruling at the time. Such damage is not unlawful so long as it is not excessive in light of the overall military advantage anticipated from the attack. (Joint Publication 3-60)
Intent is the key element in understanding the military definition as it relates to target selection and prosecution. Collateral damage is damage aside from that which was intended. Since the dawn of precision guided munitions, military "targeteers" and operations personnel have gone to great lengths to minimize collateral damage.



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