You're not defending the pope's position, then? The pope seems . . . and I use "seems" quite literally, since there is no argument to speak of in the article . . . to assert that gender is natural, i. e. innate. You're not defending that? If not, then how can you say that the pope debunks anything?

edit: incidentally, your argument ca. breastfeeding has nothing to do with gender. It has a lot to do with sex. And yes, there's no doubt that the plumbing and accessories of the female are very different from the plumbing and accessories of the male. I will stipulate the sexual differences. I will even stipulate that gender is not entirely socially constructed. No one is foolish enough to argue for pure nature or pure nurture in these things. Except the pope, apparently. Again, what exactly has the pope debunked?

Hey, get to the back of the line. km has to give me more examples before he can answer your questions.

Okay well by that standard everyone can provide normal parenting. My post was not about what's normal however but about providing the best balance for children.


Oh dear I didn't mean to imply that... I was simply saying that gender qualities were in part hereditary.


I apply it to everyone.


Depends on what you mean by 'insurmountable'.


Oh I don't think Field's work is stereotypically stilted but I'll take another look at it just to make sure.


You did but I don't think the Touch Research Institute (TRI) heard you or would take any notice if they had.

km

Okay well the first few examples were provided free of charge but if you want any more you'll have to pay for 'em... and my charges are £999 pounds sterling per example - money up front.

km

.....and he slithers like a snake. I win!

Oh I don't think so... I'm not aware of any research to suggest a dangerous imbalance in such cases, relax.

km

No you lose actually because three examples are enough to prove my point.

km

Certainly not. I think he might have reached the right conclusions by a different route than I would ever have done but I've only seen reports of what he said rather than the full text.


Well that's your opinion but I don't accept it. Mrs Keymaker says that breastfeeding is in part an emotional experience not just a mechanical process and Oxford says that gender means "the state of being male or female... chiefly in cultural or social contexts" the key word being 'chiefly' to mean not exclusively.


I s'pose what he really debunked was idea that if something is demanded on grounds of equality for example it necessarily means it's justified. If it's considered harmful to humanity because it leads to global warming for example demanding the destruction of the rainforest might not be justified.

km

3-missed them. Please repeat.

So what the pope has so thunderously debunked is a truism. Congratulations to his holiness.