History is history more so when its hundreds of years ago - like this Mumbai the attackers were in their 20s <-- What did India do to them let alone Westerners ? ? in a personal nature . These young men were duped -via- religious brain washing to murder people so someone can capitalize on India perceive Market Crash
I can usually follow your arguments, keymaker, but you leave me behind this time. That European empires have some responsibility--for instance, that Britain invented Kuwait...
Yeah but Kuwait's not the problem, Palestine is. The borders between Jewish and Arab lands over which they're fighting were decided at the UN. The fact that they haven't been observed has got nothing to do with the British Empire. Even when Clinton solved it with Peres and Arafat Israeli militants shot their own Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin to maintain the chaos that would allow the annexations to continue.
Regardless these disputes should be left up to States to determine through diplomacy
You're saying that the division of land in Palestine should be settled by negotiation right? How long should the negotiations last? Couple of months? Couple of years? Forty years? For ever? Just following that through, because I like making comparisons with our own domestic situation, if some twerp moves into your garden and starts planting onions, playing baseball with his mates and refusing to leave are you going to negotiate with him how much of it he's allowed to keep?
No doubt the creation of Israel has a great deal to do with the current causus belli in the area. Absent that, the area would find other causus belli--as Saddam did when he invaded Kuwait. As in Africa, the lines in west and south Asia that define national boundaries mark borders between European empires. By the way, in western Asia, the creation of Palestine, done by the UN to be sure, is as much an expression of European imperialism as it is of European guilt. The Third Reich was a European empire as much as the Napoleonic Empire was, after all. In any case, you were the one who raised the question of Israel in a manner that, as I said, was not germane to the issues under discussion.
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No doubt the creation of Israel has a great deal to do with the current causus belli in the area. Absent that, the area would find other causus belli...
I don't think a nation can accept responsibility for what might have happened, only what did happen. I have pointed to more immediate causes of the Palestinian problem than anything to do with the British Empire. Post Empire we're not going to accept responsibility for way Israel is behaving any more than for the way the US is behaving - it's time for people to start accepting responsibility for their own actions.
... as Saddam did when he invaded Kuwait.
He did indeed but not because of the British Empire. What he was doing was breaking provisions of the UN Charter that both Britain and the US thought should be binding on the international community. More importantly the international community has formally accepted the Charter so its those who break it who are the problem. Harking back to the British Empire fails to acknowledge the importance of international agreements.
you were the one who raised the question of Israel in a manner that, as I said, was not germane to the issues under discussion.
What Eckard said was "whatever is happening in the Middle East is directly and indirectly a result of ... (primarily British) imperialism." So what I said about Israel was entirely germaine. In fact it was Kuwait that was the red herring and I spent some time trying to work out what you were going on about with that.
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