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#396714 - 11/14/08 02:51 PM Re: KO on Prop 8 [Re: steveg]
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So you're saying that gay marriage hurts, kills, ruins lives? That it's criminal?

Criminal was not the analogy - that something thrives was the analogy and the fact alone not making it right - oh alright then... ugly discrimination is doing nicely so it must be a good idea.

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The person next to you is enjoying cream in her coffee. By your logic, this has just ruined your day.

Yeah well it might have done because nature ordains that cow's milk is intended for calves, not humans.

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#396718 - 11/14/08 03:10 PM Re: KO on Prop 8 [Re: polymerase]
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expect by your comparison, engenders a distasteful reaction from most.

Oh! That which people find distasteful is a problem is it? What about the majority who find the idea of same-sex marriage distasteful? You don't seem to be very worried about them. I'm not arguing for animal unions if that's what you find distasteful but for the accepted view of marriage irrespective of what falls outside of it. It's outrageous for a small minority to be trying to dictate to the vast majority what they can and cannot find acceptable of the laws of nature and the accumulated wisdom of mankind. eek

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#396722 - 11/14/08 03:21 PM Re: KO on Prop 8 [Re: keymaker]
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Get of the majority/minority bus already. You're needle is stuck. You claim to want equal rights for everyone, but you contradict yourself at every turn. The question Olbermann raises (too high for your grasp, apparently) is what harm does gay marriage do to those who don't support it? You can allow things that you don't necessarily support (well, maybe not you in the literal sense), especially if they do you no harm. Conversely, by allowing your "majority" to dictate what the "minority" can and can't do does cause a harm.

Man, I hope you know a good locksmith, because if you ever lose the keys to that closed mind of yours, you're locked out for life.
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#396726 - 11/14/08 03:39 PM Re: KO on Prop 8 [Re: steveg]
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You claim to want equal rights for everyone, but you contradict yourself at every turn.

Not really - like I said before when I made the point that no-one had an answer to... the gay view of equal rights is that men should be able to compete against women in the 100 metres sprint whereas my view is that men don't qualify because it's not the "100 metres sprint" but the "women's 100 metres sprint" where the difference is all important for equality. frown

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#396727 - 11/14/08 03:51 PM Re: KO on Prop 8 [Re: keymaker]
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What about the majority who find the idea of same-sex marriage distasteful?


52% voted this into law after the state was saturated by an ad campaign funded by the Mormon Church, an ad campaign of lies that told voters that the Proposition would expose children to gay sex, that schools would be forced to TEACH children about gay sex and require children to attend gay marriages as "teachable moments". The campaign said that gay child predators would decend upon our communities -- TV ads of a sweet little blond girl asking "if she has to marry a princess." They claimed that heterosexual marriages would be harmed, that all marriages would be harmed and diminished. The frickin' Mormon Church spent over $20 Million promoting these hateful lies.

Yes, if 3% of the California voters had not been swayed by this pack of lies the "distaste" would be replaced by a majority celebrating EQUALITY.

Here in California we have a lot to protest about and appreciate the national awareness that KO brought to the issue. The state Constitution is meant to provide civil rights and equality to the minority, and to let the Mormon Church influence the vote in our state to remove that equality is unjust and morally wrong.
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#396731 - 11/14/08 04:06 PM Re: KO on Prop 8 [Re: keymaker]
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It's outrageous for a small minority to be trying to dictate to the vast majority . . .


Small minority? In your I'll Spin What Passses For My Logic and Nobody Will Notice My Homophobic Haze ~ You wish


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. . . the laws of nature and the accumulated wisdom of mankind.


That's the same ludicrous fallback ignorant fundies use. Damn, did somebody make a pass at you when you were a kid? 'Cause your obsession with this issue is weird.




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#396736 - 11/14/08 04:12 PM Re: KO on Prop 8 [Re: garyW]
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52% voted this into law after the state was saturated by an ad campaign funded by the Mormon Church

I take it you believe in religious freedom and freedom of speech? As it happens there's rather a lot of bigoted and dogmatic propaganda coming from those who support gay marriage and yet they still have the right to pedal it as we've seen from KO's ridiculous outburst.

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#396738 - 11/14/08 04:19 PM Re: KO on Prop 8 [Re: keymaker]
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I take it you believe in religious freedom and freedom of speech?


Yes, but not outright lies about what a ballot propostion says ... and $20 million spent from outside the state to influence voters about the "sanctity of marriage" ... from a Church that historically promoted polygamy.
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#396739 - 11/14/08 04:20 PM Re: KO on Prop 8 [Re: keymaker]
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You're on a roll today, KM. You ought to to know from bigotry. You've got it down to a science. And don't tell me it ain't so, because it's like crazy people: the more they insist they're sane, the crazier they are.

You need to get out more.
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#396740 - 11/14/08 04:23 PM Re: KO on Prop 8 [Re: Lea]
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Nobody Will Notice My Homophobic Haze

Oh sorry, I forgot - 99 per cent of the world is homophobic including Britain, France and Germany which supports civil unions in preference to gay marriage. Oh! and President-elect Obama - he's homophobic as well.

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Your obsession with this issue is weird.

Oh great! Somebody else starts a thread and all of a sudden it's not their obsession but my obsession for answering it?

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