Bush believes and Obama thinks. I catch the stark difference. The other use or misuse of words that really stands out and McMeister already pointed out is the "we are hated around the world" which started the thread. Anywhere I have gone in the world I heard criticisms. But people always made clear who they were criticizing. Not "we" as in all of America but the President of the United States at the time, George W Bush. When my foreign language skills failed me (very often since I have no skills) they would find a way to get the point across. The cowboy is an idiot. Pantomime drawing a gun and shooting oneself in head. Something like that. I would quickly understand. They would have to buy me a drink to apologize for hating my President. Worked for me except no one in France knows how to make a martini. I had to apologize for spraying pure sweet vermouth over everyone just once. (Switched to "Gin, just gin, over cubes of ice, big glass.)
Loc: América del Norte
The "world" is oblivious to Democrats/Republicans and American MSM. Outside of the box called the United States of America nobody truly cares about the inner politics/politicians and what the US media has to say.
It's phrases like - "Either you are with us or you are against us" that resonate around the world. Every county has their own leaders/politicians/media with different POVs and opinions. Low opinion, hatred, or just dislike of the US around the world comes when this type of black & white logic with no compromise comes from the US (via the President), not from the US media.
Just my 2 cents.
_________________________ Yo soy un hombre sincero de los alpes suecos. Con los pobres de la tierra, quiero yo mi suerte echar.
Not "we" as in all of America but the President of the United States at the time
I'm sure that's true among citizens of other democracies around the world. But among those that disdain democracy or anything that smacks of western culture, having a rectum for a leader just gives them "permission" to hate "we as in all of America" by extension. Many simply pity us, others really do hate us, thankyouverymuch, George.
[quote]But among those that disdain democracy or anything that smacks of western culture, having a rectum for a leader just gives them "permission" to hate "we as in all of America" by extension.
I never found that. That sounds like "they hate us for our freedoms" which is just nonsense. Maybe they say they hate democracy but when they see democracy shoved down an invaded country's throat or they see democracy install a puppet ruler then maybe their disdain for democracy is valid. Because it is valid. If one listens they hate us for very crystal clear reasons. They don't hate democracy or western culture although they can rally fools with that. They hate us for what we have done in democracy's name. The list of puppet rulers we have installed around the world is too long to forget. And they do not forget the atrocities committed by our money and our force around the world.
Of course you haven't found that. Have you traveled to Palestine and gone for hamburgers with Hamas? Been to Afghanistan and bowled with the Taliban? My point is that there are parts of the world that for any number of reasons have never been warm to us. Our fault or just different ideologies. Bin Laden's been gunning for us long before 9/11 and long before Bush. But the Bush badministration gave him and his supporters renewed justification (in in their minds) for their jihad against the U.S. Nobody said their hatred had to do with our freedom. They believe that what they have is freedom, or better than freedom. It goers a lot deeper than that, IMHO.
Nope, never went to Palestine. My wife did and told me all about it. Jerusalem too. She went to Egypt again just this spring. What she mostly described is the abject poverty that the Palestinians lived in and the stark contrast when moving to Israeli controlled areas. She has seen slums with me. She said they were 10X slums. The make you not sleep well at night kind of tragic slums. But there are other ways to take the temperature of this hatred drum that Bush and others beat.
Since the election I have been reading the Obama election stories on Al Jazeera's web site. The stories are normal, pretty close to BBC type coverage. But the comments are the interesting part. They are truly eye opening.
From around the world, Afghanistan, Iraq, and really every country in between around the world. Virtually all congratulating the United States for what we have voted in and what we have voted out. Non ending praise for Obama. This is where the expectations might be set a little high. In the US I think we know the reality of how difficult Obama's predicament is. He is being handed a flaming paper bag of dog crap by Bush. The world expects wonderful things. If they only get someone who does not invade their country I hope they remain happy about the situation.
It would be a start in the right direction.
 I never said Bush caused it all. We have been setting up puppets in foreign countries since before Bush was born. There are very good reasons why they hate us. Bush just did the best job in creating hatred than any administration since Andrew Jackson. (It was just the native indians who he ticked off.)
Edited by polymerase (11/13/0801:01 PM) Edit Reason: added last paragraph.
Bin Laden's been gunning for us long before 9/11 and long before Bush. But the Bush badministration gave him and his supporters renewed justification (in in their minds) for their jihad against the U.S. Nobody said their hatred had to do with our freedom.
My understanding is; 1 - Bin Laden said himself that 911 was in planing for 2 years , 18 months under Clinton watch and 6 under Bush <-- to give Bush some credit it had absolutely nothing to do with him being elected at ALL. Keep in mind that Bin Laden tried bombing WTC before Bush was elected.
2 - Their Jihad against the US is because of our backing of Israel - nothing to do with our freedoms . So yes you are correct
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