. . . we are so "hated around the world" and have a tough road ahead to restoring our good standing, then a bulk of that bad will rests upon the shoulders of the very people griping loudest about it: the Democrat party and their partners in the media.
Over these past eight years, I've never been so embarrassed or ashamed of one political party and their members as I have with the Democrats. There hasn't been a time where a Democrat leader has passed up an open microphone and trashed the President, often on a personal and hateful level, and the media not eager to broadcast the shrillest part on that night's evening newscast.
The Democrats have set the standard very, very low on how to treat a President of the opposing party. Al Gore lost to George Bush in 2000 and the Democrats never got over it. Their hate grew to maniacal levels as often witnessed in this very forum. Embarrassing. So now Dems are announcing that we finally have a chance to restore or standing in the world. Well duh! With a President some liken to Christ himself . . .
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... a bulk of that bad will rests upon the shoulders of the very people griping loudest about it: the Democrat party and their partners in the media.
Over these past eight years, I've never been so embarrassed or ashamed of one political party and their members as I have with the Democrats. There hasn't been a time where a Democrat leader has passed up an open microphone and trashed the President, ...
Wow, how differently we see the world. Viva La Difference as my whiny French friends say.
The only time I saw our standing tick up in the world the last eight years is when we ridiculed our President. But he was such an easy target when he did stuff like this all the time:
On any level, personal, professional, guttural, the man was an embarrassment. Just as embarrassing is the right wing fringe who continue to support him. Not even PJ O'Rourke supports him now.
set the standard very, very low on how to treat a President
I won't dispute that partisan opportunism was very much in play. It was (and that cuts both ways). But let's talk about the pathetically low standard for a Presidency and the alarmingly belligerent standard for a Vice Presidency set by the outgoing badministration.
You cannot tell me that the past eight years have not been an embarrassment of titanic proportions. To blame the compost heap we've been left with on the Dems and the media is like blaming an auto wreck on the witness. I call this a case of your party now having to get as good as it's given.
Obama has flaws visible now, and many more will most assuredly be exposed as his administration ramps up and gets into the game. What remains to be seen is whether any of those flaws will ultimately be deserving of international reproach, impeachment, or indictment four years from now. Care to wager if Obama will out-thug Bush?
So the fact that we lied misspoke about the reasons for invading, that we invaded another country that had not attacked us, that we have thumbed our nose at the rest of the world in politics, in global warming, and in imposing "our" (not mine) religious views on how others should treat things like birth control, that we don't acknowledge that there is such a thing as international law and so refuse to recognize the world court, that we have pussyfooted around defining torture when it's convenient for "us," that we've ignored our own standards of justice in imprisoning people without charges for so long, that . . . . Surely none of that influences the way the rest of the world considers the US as an international player. Oh no, I'm sure it's statements by our domestic politicians, slavishly repeated by the press overseas, that have led to international scorn. Oh yea, it's that silly international MSM, an echo chamber from Moscow to New Delhi, from Santiago to Sydney, from Beijing to Berlin. That's the problem.
What total and utter FUD.
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wow Matt . . . not only did the far right go hard after Clinton, but he was investigated non-stop for years until they finally found him lying about sex and actually impeached the guy. yet he still managed to leave office with good approval ratings and he (as the key representative for America -- if you don't count Mcdonald's) was liked around the world.
Bush had the world behind him after 9/11. he chose to use his political capital on Iraq. i guess i don't feel sorry for him after that.
When he says "we are so "hated around the world"" he is oblivious that it is the Bush Administration and its policies that have made the problem... not America or the American people. The country, and the rest of the world, is ready to make things right. The reason the world celebrated with us on November 4 was because we proved that the foundation of American democracy was restored, that we as a people fullfilled the promise of "all men created equal", and that America could once again be a beacon of peace, hope, prosperity and freedom.
No surprise that some here see it only in terms of anti-liberal, divisive, media driven idol worship. That's all they got.
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Matt, as someone outside of the US I must say I really, totally, disagree with you on this one. It is my view that Bush and co themselves, and the GOP did it pretty much single-handedly. The US media, OTOH, has lost a lot of their credibility years ago already, but not because f what you state, but because of the shallowness of the news coverage in general, and setting a worldwide trend of toning the informational side down and bringing forth this current trend of shallowness and screaming and often misleading headlines all to sell the press and just to get the public's attention for a second.
I don't think I am the only one living outside the US who had their guts wrenched over images like the one Poly posted. And quite frankly, if you claim (scream) media bias, take off those glasses for a while and read what you yourself post here constantly.
And just by looking at how much Europeans preferred Obama over McCain, that was a huge margin btw. I'd say the US is a bit better off restoring their international relations now.
From this angle . . . just plain hatred. I find it completely inexplicable that someone could suggest that the normal process of democracy, which is always to challenge those in power, is somehow or other responsible for the downfall of democracy. The self-indulgence is obvious when the same people who blame the Dems for undermining Bush start doing the same to Obama that they accuse the Dems of doing to Bush, even before Obama is in office. As I see it, it's my job as a citizen to criticize when I see things to criticize, regardless of party affiliation--and the same goes for politicians in no-trump. When McCain spoke truth to power and said that waterboarding was torture, he was admirable. When he became mealy-mouthed about it, he lost respect. I'll acknowledge that I'm predisposed to like the policies that Obama will deploy because his perspective is more like mine than is Bush's. But if Obama screws up, I'll be as critical of him as I was of Bush in his screwups. I'm just not expecting that Obama--hell, that anyone--will screw up as consistently as Bush. Here's the key point in Bush's approach to government that made his governing as fouled up as it was: he believes that government really has no role in governing and appointed administrators who shared that point of view. It's no miracle that the result was a royal screw up. Obama, it seems, thinks (and the differences in verbs is important) that the role of government is to govern. Go figure.
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