[color:blue]but all the ones I know get out of the house and interact with the world!</font color=blue> <-- that makes no sense at all<br><br>Now if you can say that 2 males can inject female values , then I stand corrected but thats not possible even if one had a full sex change <br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>I said that consummation is a legal requirement of a valid marriage meaning that after the ceremony the parties must consummate the marriage by sexual intercourse.<p><hr></blockquote><p>And I'm telling you that statement simply isn't true in the United States.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>If they don't it's a ground for annulment.<p><hr></blockquote><p>So? A ground for annulment itself doesn't render the existing state of marriage void. If a marriage isn't consummated, and neither partner decides to try to obtain an annulment, the marriage is still considered legal. That either partner *could* bring annulment proceedings if they wanted to doesn't enter into the legality of the marriage itself.<br><br>Turn up the signal, wipe out the noise ...

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>(consummation is a legal requirement of a valid marriage) I'm telling you that statement simply isn't true in the United States. <p><hr></blockquote><p>What's up with you guys - can't you read? I'll try again...<br><br>[color:purple]"Annulment is the pro...lor=purple> <---<br><br>What part of 'never' do you not understand?<br><br>Now, suppose that H and W go through a ceremony of marriage and keep to themselves the fact that W is only 12 years old and under age. Minority is a ground of annulment. Your view that although the bride is under age there is a valid marriage if it hasn't been annulled is wrong. The situation is that the marriage is invalid but no one knows so they're treated as though they're in a valid marriage. If it ever comes to court there is not a divorce but an annulment which asserts that the marriage was never valid.<br><br>This example concerns the under-age of the bride but the same applies to an annulment on the ground of non-consummation. <br><br>Likewise a person who is already married commits bigamy if he goes through a second ceremony of marriage. Bigamy is a ground of annulment. If no one knows he is already married they'll be treated as though his second marriage is valid but it won't be - it will be invalid. Can you understand that? The distinction between orders of divorce and orders of annulment where the latter concerns marriages that were never valid is quite deliberate and you're still confusing one with the other.<br><br>km<br><br>

consummation , act of sex<br><br>Believe me gay couples do have sex = consummation<br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Believe me gay couples do have sex = consummation<p><hr></blockquote><p>Not in the States they don't they have sex &#8800; consummation.<br><br>km<br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>What's up with you guys - can't you read?<p><hr></blockquote><p>About as well as you can't logic, apparently =P<br><br>You can find law that *may* (read: not necessarily) annul a marriage due to the inability to consummate ...<br><br>You cannot cite a U.S. law that *requires* consummation for a marriage to be legal ...<br><br>For the same reason you cannot find a law *requiring* a couple to bear children in order to have a lawful marriage, when you can find one allowing for the dissolution of a marriage if a couple cannot bear any ... <br><br>You're making the illogical assumption that because a marriage *may* be dissolved for not being able to have sex, then having sex must therefore be a requirement for a valid marriage ...<br><br>As for your examples of underage and bigamous persons: Those marriages would be considered illegal regardless of annulment provisions, since there is other law prohibiting those types of marriages in the first place. There is no such law regarding the ability to have sex, other than that of fraud where one partner is unaware of the other's incapacity before marriage, which is not what we're discussing here -- and which, by the way, is the *only* situation in the U.S. where not being able to have sex may result in annulment, which doesn't help your argument much either ...<br><br><br>Turn up the signal, wipe out the noise ...

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>You cannot cite a U.S. law that *requires* consummation for a marriage to be legal ...<p><hr></blockquote><p>The law on annulment as applied in US courts is that law because consummation takes place after the ceremony, doh. <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Those marriages would be considered illegal regardless of annulment provisions, <p><hr></blockquote><p>No you always need annulment provisions to annul a marriage so you're making a bogus distinction. The fact that under-age sex and bigamy are crimes is irrelevant because these lead to a criminal process.<br><br>km<br><br><br>

Carp, you know exactly what I mean. Fsck the male values, female values thing. I am talking about human values, love, life, death, kindness, caring, giving, sharing, understanding etc.etc.etc. That is what parents should give to their children- straight or gay. Give a child love, direction and security and they will grow up well-rounded, compassionate and understanding. <br><br>Some of the very values sorely lacking in this discussion.<br><br><br><br>

[color:blue]I am talking about human values, love, life, death, kindness, caring, giving, sharing, understanding etc.etc.etc. That is what parents should give to their children- straight or gay. Give a child love, direction and security and they will grow up well-rounded, compassionate and understanding.</font color=blue><br><br>Certainly but two guys cannot give a female child feminine values - yes the child can grow up with human values, love, life, death, kindness, caring, giving, sharing, understanding -- just not well rounded for the child -- you don't have an argument , its just physically , mentally and DNA impossible<br><br>Sorry<br><br><br><br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Certainly but two guys cannot give a female child feminine values - yes the child can grow up with human values, love, life, death, kindness, caring, giving, sharing, understanding -- just not well rounded for the child -- you don't have an argument , its just physically , mentally and DNA impossible<p><hr></blockquote><p>Do you just make this shi[i][/i]t up? Really. It is insulting and pathetic. Do all women who are raised by a widower grow up in some way missing of "feminine values"?<br><br>That is about the most absurd thing I have ever heard. It's DNA impossible? This is a joke, right? Did you read this in Popular Mechanics?<br><br>This thread is absurd and you have put the cherry on top. Ridiculous inanity.<br><br>Sorry.<br><br>