No what you hear is "I am a PC" you don't hear I am a Vista or I am a XP <br><br>I thought the next service pack release for XP was to give it a Vista clown suit ? SOrta MS back door approach of slowly turning XP users to Vista users via updates ?<br><br>

I already knew Vista sucks. It takes more resources, blah, blah, blah. The problem is, I'm a Mac user. I only want Windows to mess around with - so I don't want to have to spend money a year from now on bullsh!t upgrades just to keep the system running.<br><br>That's the only reason I even considered getting Vista. I figured if MS is going to do something to cripple XP (such as not allowing the next version of IE to run on it), I don't want to be screwed (more than I am simply by having Windows installed at all).<br><br>People tend not to like change, so I have to wonder how much of the "Vista sucks" comments is simply due to the fact that people didn't want to spend money on upgrades. I mean seriously, try running Leopard on a G4... it sucks in comparison to running it on a G5 or Intel Mac.<br><br>By the way, I appreciate everyone's opinions on this.<br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p><br>People tend not to like change, so I have to wonder how much of the "Vista sucks" comments is simply due to the fact that people didn't want to spend money on upgrades.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Before SP1, it was supposed to be fairly bad. But then, so was XP, and so are some OS X versions before .1 release.<br><br>But I have to admit Vista X64 is one of the better OS's I've used. It's been rock solid, and I've yet to have one crash from the OS itself. The crashes I have had were due to ATi's crappy initial 4850 drivers.<br><br>I do get annoyed with the networking however, if you have IPV6 going it will drop internet connections on some routers and mine happens to be one of them. Turn off IPV6 and it's fine. I suspect that will be fixed sooner or later. <br><br>But prefetch and readyboost built into it are great. Literally, when you get to your desktop I can hit the shortcut for Firefox (or IE) and before I've really released the mouse button it's up with the homepage loaded already. Also having lots of stuff open seems smoother than OS X, but to be fair I don't usually have multi gig graphics files open like I do in OS X. Really makes this G5 feel long in the tooth though.<br><br><br>Hey I'm an F'n Jerk!®

Leopard runs just fine on my G4 - no problems and pretty darned snappy. In fact, it's faster on my G4 than it is on the wife's Intel Mini.<br><br>

My wife runs Vista.. granted she doesn't do anything heavy... but I haven't had to fix a single thing since she got it for Christmas.<br><br>[image][/image]

I'm running VMWare Fusion with a botched downloaded copy of XP. It runs fine though but can't be updated from Microsoft because it's not authentic. Who cares? I use it just to test certain web pages on Windows anyway. <br><br>Too many lives they've spent across the ocean. Too much money been spent upon the moon. Well, until they make it right, I hope they never sleep at night. They better make some changes and do it soon. -Things Goin' On/Lynyrd Skynyrd

I vote for XP under Parallels.. Vista's overhead is much more than you would like handled by any virtualization or emulation software.<br><br>Best of luck and let us know how things progress with you.<br><br>[color:blue]flick</font color=blue>[color:red]r</font color=red><br> <br>http://babonga.org

I'm running Vista with Fusion on an "early 2008" iMac. I turned off all the Vista visuals to reduce the overhead and disabled a load of background and startup apps (itunes sneaks a bunch of stuff in) but then I'm running 3dsMax in Windows which is a high needs app so I want as much power for that as I can get. I have XP on my Dell so I've used both Vista and XP but I'm not big on Windows overall and I'm not partial to either version really. From the point of view of a non-expert I really don't notice that one is significantly different from the other on the surface at least. In the end they're both Windows.

I got Vista because I want to get the "going forward" version. But I also got Home Basic because all the fancy stuff just duplicates stuff I have on my Mac anyway. I use freeware security software in windows for overall low cost.


If you don't mind me asking, what web stuff are you (OP) trying to do in Windows?

To the people worried about having the newest OS ...it's not going to matter for too much longer. Windows 7 is coming out in the not too distant future. While it's not going to be a huge shift from Vista (think Snow Vista) ...I'd still probably get XP dirt cheap at the moment and then buy an upgrad to 7 after SP1 comes out for it.

IE 8 is already being tested by people in XP ..you don't have to worry about it not being compatible. The only thing that you'd have to worry about would be DirectX 10/11 and that's nothing to worry about in Virtualization because if you needed it you'd most likely have to boot native to get the performance you were looking for anyway.

Anyone who has run Windows in a VM knows how much of an impact it has on your system ...especially RAM wise. The less you can get away with, the better. I've actually just bought a 4GB RAM kit for my iMac because 2GB just isn't enough for me anymore when I have Windows running. (set to use 768MB RAM) Running Vista would be even more taxing.

Unless you have a Mac Pro with 8 cores and 4+ GB RAM ...then run whatever you want

I decided to install XP using VirtualBox. Runs without a problem, and at a fairly decent speed, I might add. It's more than adequate for the occassional need to pop into Windows for some Web stuff.