Better us than Louisiana. Or y'all. We keep dodging the bullet, that can't last forever. <br><br>Remember when Rita looked like she was gonna nail Houston right after Katrina? Remember the Mass Idiot Exodus (we were among those idiots)? That won't happen again, not in our lifetime. And that's the way it should be, because all of us idiots shut down evacuation routes that rightfully belonged to the people down in Freeport and Galveston and Port Arthur.<br><br>Maybe this one will lose some steam before it gets here, but I wouldn't bet on it.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br>[color:white]xx</font color=white>[color:blue]I always deserve it. Really.</font color=blue><br><br>
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<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>It's GW's way of being "compassionate."<p><hr></blockquote><p>I'm tired of hearing our government being blasted for the embargo when there are two sides to the story. Do remember why the embargo was enacted? Because Castro was stealing properties owned by the US and its corporations for his socialistic programs, are we to just forget that? The country was an economic paradise till he took power. From wikipedia, "Cuba became not only the most prosperous Caribbean island country, but one of the most prosperous countries in all of Latin America. The era from independence (1902) to Castro's revolution (1959) was the most prosperous in Cuban history measured in terms of per-capita income and other key economic indicators."<br><br>But Castro wanted to be a dictator of a socialistic country so he sent Cuba to the crapper to feed his ego.<br><br>Better read up on the embargo before blaming your current favorite scapegoat for all the world's ills as usual. Slick Willy was no angel either. He lifted some sanctions for medicine and agricultural products for humanitarian needs but the Helms-Burton Act was also passed by him in 1996 limiting others.<br><br>Besides, the Cuban government could extend the first olive branch to try and get it lifted by offering the properties back to their rightful owners for instance, but they'd rather use it as a tool to make their people hate our government, while asking for assistance out of the other side of their mouth. Luckily the majority of the US isn't that gullible.<br><br>------>#1 - JD's Trivia game<br><br>------>#2 - MM-MCF Trivia game
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So people who have absolutely no say in those decisions are left to suffer. The embargo could be waived for a short period of time in order to deliver the necessary aid. And Castro took over from another dictator. <br><br>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>So people who have absolutely no say in those decisions are left to suffer.<p><hr></blockquote><p>I ask you again, why not blame their government for not complying rather than blaming ours for playing by the rules set down? Typical example of not taking responsibility for one's own actions that is so prevalent anymore.<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>The embargo could be waived for a short period of time in order to deliver the necessary aid.<p><hr></blockquote><p>If their government needs our help that bad I'd say it's time to for them to give a little too, don't you think?<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>And Castro took over from another dictator.<p><hr></blockquote><p>But not one that was as power hungry as Castro. Read up on it.<br><br>------>#1 - JD's Trivia game<br><br>------>#2 - MM-MCF Trivia game
I have a feeling I know who wrote that wikipedia article. In point of fact, from the moment that the US intervened in the Cuban war of liberation all the way to the beginning of the expropriation of property, Cuba was de facto an economic colony of the US. Yes, it had more wealth than more or less all Latin American countries (although at least Mexico and Argentina and Chile would contest that statement). But the wealth "belonged" to the US companies, so that on a yearly basis, the US received a great deal of the profit produced by the Cuban worker. The wealth not directly owned by US corporations was owned by US-dependent businesses, like that run by my family. My father and uncle, and before them their fathers and uncles, grew and milled rice and sugar cane. They sold it to the US. It was a sweet deal (HA HA HA) because the US held the price of sugar artificially high to pacify the creole plutocrats of the island. One result was that the economic upper classes of the island were absolutely alienated from the workers on the island, perhaps the single most important goal of the policy of high sugar subsidies. Another result was that the disparity between the creole rich and poor was pretty tremendous. Most Cuban exiles have a fantasy memory of paradise. I remember the poor kids on the street, running around naked because they had no money. I remember the sharecropper farmers on my father's "gentleman's" farm, which he owned as a hobby but from which the peasant eked out a living. I remember the horrible public school just two blocks from the very refined private school I attended.<br><br>So between stealing the war of liberation, imposing via the Platt Amendment a legal system that made the nominally sovereign government of the island a dependent on the US Congress, exporting to the US profit upon profit for more than half a century, and helping to alienate creole workers from owners, I think Cuba paid for the property that was then expropriated by Castro. Socially speaking, moreover, Cuba was whorehouse to the US. That was part of the trick of being a US colony . . . all the crap that wasn't "decent" enough to take place in the US was done down there--and I know how quaint that sounds in the context of 2008, but it was nonetheless true: prostitution, gambling, drugs, dissolution generally were what Cuba represented to America. The island was a moral cess pool, deliberately kept that way by the US authorities.<br><br>I don't mean to exculpate Cubans. We were as guilty as guilty could be of collaborating with the mess. But the only real solution to the problem was a root and branch excising of American influence on the island. That is what Castro did, and I applaud him for doing it. His mistake was not expropriating property or beginning to make the country work for the common person. His error was to allow the idiotic Cold War rivalry between two imperial powers to take over the direction of his policies. There were other places in the world, from Indonesia to Congo to Vietnam to Iran to Central America where that happened. I just happen to be more familiar with Cuba as an instance of what happened when a local movement of liberation became embroiled in the Cold War conflicts. I hope, sincerely and profoundly, that the world will long remember the danger of imperial ambitions as they filter through the world community. I know it will do no good, but by God, at least let there be a memorial to the catastrophe that results from such competition.<br><br>[color:red]</font color=red> [color:orange]</font color=orange> [color:yellow]</font color=yellow> [color:green]</font color=green> [color:blue]</font color=blue> [color:purple]</font color=purple>
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yoyo, thank you SO much for your post. I was hoping you would have an appropriate reply. It would serve little purpose for me to say something since I only have known Cuba since 1987 and only then as a visitor. I sincerely doubt anything I'd have to say on the subject would be believed by some folks.<br><br>It's an absolute travesty that the US won't lift the embargo right now. I believe America is making a grave mistake and will rue the day in the near future. Cuba is desperate right now. They will turn to Russia and China for help and you better believe those 2 countries would love any excuse to be on Cuban soil. The best way to prevent this happening is for the US to do the right thing, the humanitarian thing.<br><br>
The mob owned property in Havana, carp--the cabarets and the gambling parlors and the whorehouses and so on. But the bulk of Cuba's wealth came from agricultural enterprises, and a great many of those were owned by American corporations. The Atkins family, an old Boston dynasty (they're still up there in the social register), owned gobs of real estate on the island, for instance. United Fruit Co. owned gobs of property. And so on and so on. The profits from that property were also exported. Pure neo-colonialism.<br><br>[color:red]</font color=red> [color:orange]</font color=orange> [color:yellow]</font color=yellow> [color:green]</font color=green> [color:blue]</font color=blue> [color:purple]</font color=purple>
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