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<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Only if the half come predominantly from the developed world.<p><hr></blockquote><p>No kidding. Not to rag on the poor old US of A<br>but if you killed off half of them or only 150 million instead of half the Chinese, or 600 million, you would get rid of 40% of the total world burden, [color:blue]half the amount of homes using electricity, half the amount of trash, half the amount of people spraying toxic spray cans and half the amount of everything else bad for the planet. It's just plain common sense. </font color=blue><br><br>
Global population reduction would be a tough thing to do though. I don't know the best method to do that. One kid per family until it lowers to the goal maybe?<br><br>Too many lives they've spent across the ocean. Too much money been spent upon the moon. Well, until they make it right, I hope they never sleep at night. They better make some changes and do it soon. -Things Goin' On/Lynyrd Skynyrd<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by iBookmaster on 06/26/08 09:47 PM (server time).</EM></FONT></P>
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Erm... shouldn't you be mentioning Cindy McCain here at this point? (whoever the hell she is...)<br><br>[color:purple]A lopsided man runs best along the little side-hills of success<br>- Frank Moore Colby</font color=purple>
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<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p><br>Why, again is overpopulation the problem? The US, for example has 300 <br>million people, but it's ecological impact far exceeds this. Reducing the number of <br>people would certainly help matters, but not the the extent that curbing <br>consumption and waste and emissions would. Birth rates all over the <br>developed world have plummeted in the past 50 years and most every <br>where consumption and emissions etc. have risen.<p><hr></blockquote><p>This is a very good point, and it is confirmed by fact that conservation on a large scale makes significant<br> differences. Case in point: Mono Lake in California, near the Nevada border, and just a little south of the <br>eastern entrance to Yosemite. It's a striking place. When I was there, I felt a sense of foreboding, though<br> actually I should have felt joy, for it has been coming back to life and slowly filling up to closer to its <br>natural levels, but in 1990 it was nearly dead and had practically vanished -- victim of criminal water <br>dealings in Los Angeles. You can learn all about that at the Mono Lake Website. (read this speech on <br>Mono Lake and California Water Policy for a good synopsis of the issues.)<br><br>In the early 1990's, a couple of people decided to save Mono Lake. They were ordinary people, but they <br>devoted themselves in extraordinary ways to show the City of Los Angeles how it could change and <br>make a difference that would benefit everyone. Things like low-flush toilets, drip-sprinklers, and just<br> good common-sense conservation made enough difference that not only is Mono Lake returning to its <br>former glory, but Los Angeles is now using the same amount of water as it was using when it was 70%<br> its current population, and is prepared for future growth on even that same amount of water. They are <br>actually restoring other lakes to their former wild state in the process. (California Supreme Court sided <br>with the Mono Lake people, which made things a lot easier for them.)<br><br>So, conservation DOES make a difference. A HUGE difference. <br><br>Shooshie<br><br>PS: incidentally, Jack Nicholson starred in a movie peripherally set in the background of the criminal<br>water department dealings. It was Chinatown. In real-life, a group of developers wanted to buy up <br>desert and sell it at residential premium prices, making vast fortunes in the process. But they needed<br> water, and they colluded to have LA pay for aqueducts to the San Fernando Valley. They did so by <br>dumping LA's reservoirs into the ocean at night, creating water shortages in the daytime. They told the <br>people there was a water shortage, and that they would need aqueducts from hundreds of miles away <br>to bring them water. The bond passed, but they only built the aqueducts to the San Fernando Valley, <br>not to LA. Jack Nicholson's character had to solve this crime for the key to the mystery he was dealing <br>with in the fictionalized version of the facts used in the movie.<br><br><br><br>[color:green]Pictures and things</font color=green><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Shooshie on 06/27/08 02:45 AM (server time).</EM></FONT></P>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Erm... shouldn't you be mentioning Cindy McCain here at this point? (whoever the hell she is...)<p><hr></blockquote><p> Thought you would never ask. <br>Cindy McCain is the wife of our Republican presidential nominee.<br>She had a long term drug addicition to opiates so large she had to steal the Percosets and Vicodin from the charity she was working for.<br>When she was caught red handed and an article was to be published she confesses on the Today Show and receives plaudits for her honesty.<br>She received no jail time. She had to repay the charity for the drugs stolen. No damages, just wholesale price. Since she is very rich she wrote a check.<br><br>No one wants Cindy to go to jail. Just pointing out the inequities pointed out by this. If you are a rich white women and a drug addict who steals because of the addiction you get back slaps for being so honest when you tell your story.<br><br>If you are black you go to jail. This is why there were cheers in the black community when OJ was found innocent. OJ was black and he actually gamed the system as if he were white. That was a bit of a shock.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
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<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Only if the half come predominantly from the developed world.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Population has a negative effect anywhere. A good portion of the undeveloped world relies on the developed world for food because they live in areas that cannot physically support their population levels. That means more fuel to grow and transport crops.<br><br><br>Hey I'm an F'n Jerk!®
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The physical carrying capacity of the Earth in terms of food is actually a pretty hot political topic. Much of the undeveloped world<br>could grow plenty of food and support their populations with it, but they cannot find a market for it competing against heavily<br>state-subsidized product from the United States, Canada, and the European Union. Colonization doesn't cause famine in Africa<br>anymore. That's our world's food market's job now.<br><br>-- Cee Bee Double-U
Pardon the bad links. If anyone tried to follow the links I gave, they would have seen that I used the wrong QuicKeys command to create them. Here are the correct ones:<br><br> Mono Lake Website. <br><br>(read this speech on Mono Lake and California Water Policy for a good synopsis of the issues.)<br><br>The latter probably explains everything the fastest. Anyway, the point being that conservation can have a tremendous effect when carried out on such a massive scale. While developing new energy sources may save us in the near future, conservation of what we have can save us right now. Did anyone notice how their electric bill dropped after installing those new bulbs? Turning off the lights, putting the computer to sleep, coasting to stop signs, keeping the car tuned up, and a thousand other LITTLE ideas, when carried out by a quarter billion people, can have dramatic effects on our carbon footprint. <br><br>Now that we have most people's attention, and the specter of global warming is no longer seen in the mainstream as a political conspiracy to take away the right-wing's Lincoln Navigators and Hummers, we could actually act very quickly by dispersing information like this to everyone we know with the instructions to pass it on. The Enron Loophole may have artificially raised the price of gas by about $2.50, but it may also have done the world a favor. Too soon to tell, though. <br><br>Shooshie<br><br><br><br><br><br>[color:green]Pictures and things</font color=green>
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