From my angle, it doesn't matter that there weren't always ice caps or that the tropics extended to what's now Antartica . . . or whatever. What does matter is that we're on the verge of making ourselves extinct. I guess if I could contemplate with perfect equanimity the prospect of "thinning the human herd," then the idea of extinction might not be so hard to accept for me. But I can contemplate neither one with anything but fear and loathing.<br><br>[color:red]</font color=red> [color:orange]</font color=orange> [color:yellow]</font color=yellow> [color:green]</font color=green> [color:blue]</font color=blue> [color:purple]</font color=purple>
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The "thinning the herd" type of solution is troubling if you look at how it might be accomplished. No person on earth would be having a life worth living if a catastrophe which actually knocked down the earth's population occurred. AIDS, ebola, bird flu are not going to do it. Doesn't even make a dent. Malaria kills 3 million a year and that has absolutely no effect on earth's population. (and since it happens in poor countries which we don't care too much about the 3 million dead are not noticed at all.)<br><br>6,666,666,666 people as of last month. Line up a super killer with say 500 million dead<br>0,500,000,000 and even that does not make a dent. <br><br>To make a dent one would have to kill off several billion. You don't want to be a survivor if a kill off like that occurred.<br><br><br><br>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>How do you suppose old wooden sailing ships sailed through the Northwest Passage when up until a few years ago it was not passible without specially built ice breakers?<p><hr></blockquote><p> That would come as news to Henry Hudson. Fact is, the waters of the Northwest passage have always been passable during the warmer months. During the winter months, the old wooden ships (such as Henry's) were forced to lay over as he and his crew did in James Bay one year. But it has only been in recent years that open water has been seen at the North Pole in Summer, thus causing trouble with the polar bear population. Arctic ice is melting for the same reason that Antarctic ice is melting. Warmer weather.<br><br>The fact that a short blip in pack ice occurs in the last couple of years is meaningless when longer term trends point in other directions. And, as a matter of fact, the Wikipedia entry you pointed to largely agrees. Here is a graphic showing the greatest extent of ice in the Arctic in 1985 and 2005.<br><br><br><br>Laz, OFI[/i][color:green]<br>Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. — Groucho </font color=green>
Why, again is overpopulation the problem? The US, for example has 300 <br>million people, but it's ecological impact far exceeds this. Reducing the number of <br>people would certainly help matters, but not the the extent that curbing <br>consumption and waste and emissions would. Birth rates all over the <br>developed world have plummeted in the past 50 years and most every <br>where consumption and emissions etc. have risen.<br><br>We are STILL what we repeatedly do. -Aristotle
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<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>You're going to try and say there has always been ice caps? There has never been melting? or freezing?<p><hr></blockquote><p>There was a rather long period of earth's history when the entire surface was covered with ice miles deep.<br><br>Actually I believe we're in a period between ice ages, and so far the span of stable climate is actually a bit unusual in terms of the Earth's history.<br><br><br>Hey I'm an F'n Jerk!®
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What really kills me is all the opinions everyone has about global warming as if they have figured it all out by observing their local weather and doing some google searches.<br><br>Real climatologists believe global warming is occurring and it is caused by man. You can read the journals Science and Nature. Chock full of scientists discussing the ramifications of an already proven fact.<br><br>When you want to know if global warming exists you can do one of two things.<br>1) Ask reputable scientists who have studied earth climate.<br>2) Ask Cindy McCain while she is on a Vicodin buzz.<br><br>You might get the answer you want to hear from one of them but the answer is correct from only one.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
But did you read this part?<br><br> Antarctic ice area has been trending up slowly since the satellite record starts. This has been confirmed in recent observations of the Earth's rotation speeding up which can only be explained by a growing concentration of mass at the poles.<br><br>What we have here is a case of earth wobbles. <br><br>
Because if you reduce the amount of people by half then you would have approximately half the amount of cars riding, half the amount of homes using electricity, half the amount of trash, half the amount of people spraying toxic spray cans and half the amount of everything else bad for the planet. It's just plain common sense. <br><br>Too many lives they've spent across the ocean. Too much money been spent upon the moon. Well, until they make it right, I hope they never sleep at night. They better make some changes and do it soon. -Things Goin' On/Lynyrd Skynyrd
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