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#359918 - 05/02/08 05:16 PM No! [Re: eckhard]
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[color:blue]"it is showing what the Democratic party is really like"</font color=blue><br><br>No, it is showing what Cantor, Carville, and Stephanopoulos are really like.<br>They are stupid, arrogant Clinton supporters.<br><br>You may be right. It may not do any harm to Clinton.<br>If those were Obama supporters; however, Obama would be tarred and feathered and rode out of town on a rail. Every news site would run it, every newspaper would have it on their front page.<br><br><br><br>
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#359919 - 05/02/08 05:17 PM Re: Hillary to lose Indiana over this [Re: FSM]
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Wow! The original clip is no longer available, although I did see it before it was eliminated.<br><br>I've listen and watched the second clip several times closely, and really couldn't tell what was whispered, unlike in the first clip (that's no longer available) where it was clear.<br><br>Sounds like somebody was trying to revinvent history again.<br><br>Democratic party dirty linen being exposed? Maybe.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
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#359920 - 05/02/08 05:29 PM Re: Hillary to lose Indiana over this [Re: electricron]
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okay, i found another clip that now disappeared. this is weird that things are going away so quickly.<br><br>anyway, i no longer believe this. i think he whispers, "how would you like to be in the white house war room" and not anything to do with Indianians. my bad (unless i am wrong in this post). <br><br><br>--<br>[color:red] Kansas Jayhawks -- 2008 National Champions </font color=red>

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#359921 - 05/02/08 05:51 PM Bull! [Re: Clark]
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<br>[color:blue]......stupid, arrogant Clinton supporters.</font color=blue><br><br>You know, words like these I have so far ONLY heard from Obama fans. <br><br>[color:blue]If those were Obama supporters; however, Obama would be tarred and feathered and rode out of town on a rail.</font color=blue><br><br>Utter nonsense!<br>For one thing, this film was made decades ago. The three were at the age of most Obama fans today, same complete dedication to winning. And this is directed at most of the current leaders of the Democratic Party ..... after all, the Clinton 1992 campaign was 16 years ago<br>I find it pretty absurd, how the Obama camp seems hell-bent on discrediting the last, successful Democratic presidency in an effort to win now. What the Reps couldn't do, the new Dems are trying..... what kind of strategy is that??<br> <br>Moreover, Obama has had a free ride until now. <br>He clearly lied about how closely and long he had known Rezko. No big deal, eh? Let's not even talk about the Wright matter, where there is no high ground for him in sight. Everyone is touching him with kit gloves, for fear of being called racist.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
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#359922 - 05/02/08 05:56 PM NO, don't ignore!!!! [Re: FSM]
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<br>In an attempt to discredit Clinton, a group of Obama-Zealots is actually attacking the very base of their own party.<br>Swiftboaters!<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
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#359923 - 05/02/08 08:12 PM Re: Bull! [Re: eckhard]
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[color:blue]”the Obama camp seems hell-bent on discrediting the last, successful Democratic presidency in an effort to win now”</font color=blue><br><br>You call an impreached president a successful president? <br>That successful president lost his license to practice law as a result of his having committed perjury. <br><br>Did you know that in the last hours of his presidency, that successful president pardoned 140 criminals? <br><br>One of those pardons was given to Mark Rich. <br>Mark Rich fled the United States in 1983 after being indicted on charges of wire fraud, racketeering and income tax evasion. He was also charged with violating trade restrictions with Iran at the time the government in Tehran was holding U.S. diplomats as hostages.<br><br>Mark Rich’s wife donated $1 million to the Democratic Party $450,000 to the Clinton Library, $10,000 to the Clinton’s legal defense fund and $70,000 to Hillary Clinton’s Senate campaign in order to secure the pardon.<br><br>Senator John McCain called the pardon a disgrace.<br><br>Senate Democratic Leader Tom Daschle said he was troubled by the pardon and described it as inappropriate.<br><br>New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who as a federal prosecutor at the time brought the charges against Rich, said a congressional investigation was warranted into the "very unusual" pardon of a fugitive. "The Marc Rich pardon cries out for an explanation," he said, describing the 1983 case as the "most extensive tax evasion case" in the country. "There is no explanation for it beyond the fact that the president had the raw power to do it."<br>Asked whether he believed there was a quid pro quo for the Rich pardon, Giuliani refused to rule it out.<br>"I don't think it would be fair to suggest that there was a payoff, but I also don't think it would be fair to dismiss the question without an investigation," he said. <br><br>Bill Clinton defended the pardon. He said he spent "a lot of personal time" on the Rich case but declined to explain his reasoning for the pardon.<br><br>Did you know that Scooter Libby was Mark Rich’s lawyer?<br>Not too suprisingly Hillary Clinton has taken no public position on the potential Scooter Libby pardon though long time Clinton aide James Carville was one of the signers of a letter to Judge Reggie Walton pleading for a stay pending appeal which would have essentially let Bush delay the pardon until after the November elections and keep Libby out of jail all the while.<br><br>
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#359924 - 05/02/08 08:35 PM Re: Bull! [Re: Clark]
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<br>Yes, I do call Clinton a successful president.<br><br>When Bill Clinton gave his inaugural speech, I listened with tears in my eyes, even though I wasn't an American. <br>It was such a relief - after Watergate, after Saigon, after Iran Contra and the ruthless destruction of Carter - to finally listen to a president, who spoke about important things, like health insurance, justice, economy, education .... sounds familiar?<br><br>The witch hunt that followed will go down as one of the most disgusting travesties of modern US history.<br>And still, when he left office, he left a surplus, and even now, those two guys - Carter and Clinton - represent what the world considers worthwhile in American politics.<br><br>Quite honestly, I find that pardon a great deal less troubling than Olly North, or Reagan's feigned ignorance, not even starting with Bush. The guy's wife paid a Million to the party ..... so, that's how these things go in Washington and Chicago for that matter.<br><br><br><br><br>
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#359925 - 05/02/08 11:23 PM Re: Bull! [Re: eckhard]
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[color:blue]"The witch hunt that followed will go down as one of the most disgusting travesties of modern US history."</font color=blue><br><br>You don't think he was guilty of perjury?<br><br>He is destroying his legacy with all his falsehoods during this campaign. <br><br>[color:blue]"When Bill Clinton gave his inaugural speech, I listened with tears in my eyes"</font color=blue><br><br>You cry pretty easily. Get ready to get out your handkerchiefs when Obama beats your girl.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
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#359926 - 05/03/08 07:56 AM as tears go by .. [Re: Clark]
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[color:blue]You cry pretty easily. Get ready to get out your handkerchiefs when Obama beats your girl.<br></font color=blue><br><br>Actually, the older I get, the easier I find it to be deeply touched by something. Back in 1992, I was only 45, though. ;)<br><br><br><br><br><br><br> <br><br><br><br><br><br>
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#359927 - 05/03/08 04:31 PM Re: as tears go by .. [Re: eckhard]
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We are close to the same age. I was 45 and 46 in 1992.<br><br><br>
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