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#359421 - 04/30/08 01:48 AM Bush's solution
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Registered: 11/04/02
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Loc: Lindale, TX (Tyler)
Bush blames everyone but himself and his Saudi friends for the gas prices and suggests we drill in ANWAR. If anyone opposes, they're just for giving the public $5 gasoline !! What a crock !!<br><br>That won't help much now::<br>(1) it'll take ~7 years before one drop hits the market.<br>(2) They have no idea how much is really there. maybe 2 yrs - 5 ys 10 ys worth... who knows?<br>(3) It will probably not do anything much to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.<br><br>Reducing our consumption would have immediate effects on supply and demand, be a big + for the environment and would go much further than McCains' temporary 18 cent gas tax cut.<br><br>How do we do that? how about slowing down to 55 or 60..mph?<br><br>geez, no one ever wants to sacrifice anything... all we want to do is bitch... (me included).. but if everyone went 60 instead of 75+, we could save billions of gallons tomorrow...as in the next day !! <br><br>Bush has NO vision or leadership... it's always an "easy out" that makes little sense. Kinda the way he's run his previous businesses that failed.<br><br>David (OFI)
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#359422 - 04/30/08 02:04 AM Re: Bush's solution [Re: DLC]
iBookmaster Offline
WTF (Why The Face?)

Registered: 01/27/08
Posts: 1164
Loc: USA
Yeah, I listened to his speech today. Mainly wanted to listen to him when reporters asked him questions. He blames congress for not passing his resolutions and says if he had a magic wand to make the gas prices go down he'd wave it. But he doesn't so he can't. Sure seems like he could do something. Like talk to the oil companies.<br><br>I know this is lengthy but I had a friend send me this email trying to make an impact on gas prices. <br><br>&#8232;&#8232;---- I don't know what you guys are paying for gasoline.... but here in California we are also paying higher, up to $3.50 per gallon (old news!). But my line of work is in petroleum for about 31 years now, so here are some tricks to get more of your money's worth for every gallon.&#8232;Here at the Kinder Morgan Pipeline where I work in San Jose , CA we deliver about 4 million gallons in a 24-hour period thru the pipeline. One day is diesel the next day is jet fuel, and gasoline, regular and premium grades.  We have 34-storage tanks here with a total capacity of 16,800,000 gallons. &#8232; <br><br>&#8232;Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early morning when the ground temperature is still cold. Remember that all service stations have their storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground the more dense the gasoline, when it gets warmer gasoline expands, so buying in the afternoon or in the evening....your gallon is not exactly a gallon. In the petroleum business, the specific gravity and the temperature of the gasoline, diesel and jet fuel, ethanol and other petroleum products plays an important role. &#8232;&#8232;A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this business. But the service stations do not have temperature compensation at the pumps.&#8232;&#8232;When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to a fast mode. If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3) stages: low, middle, and high. In slow mode you should be pumping on low speed, thereby minimizing the vapors that are created while you are pumping. All hoses at   the pump have a vapor return. If you are pumping on the fast rate, some other liquid that goes to your tank becomes vapor. Those vapors are being sucked up and back into the underground storage tank so you're getting less worth for your money. &#8232;&#8232;One of the most important tips is to fill up when your gas tank is HALF FULL or HALF EMPTY. The reason for this is, the more gas you have in your tank the less air occupying its empty space. <br><br>Gasoline evaporates faster than you can imagine. Gasoline storage tanks have an internal floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the gas and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation. Unlike service stations, here where I work, every truck that we load is temperature compensated so that every gallon is actually the exact amount. &#8232;&#8232;Another reminder, if there is a gasoline truck pumping into the storage tanks when you stop to buy gas, DO NOT fill up--most likely the gasoline is being stirred up as the gas is being delivered, and you might pick up some of the dirt that normally settles on the bottom.  <br><br>Hope this will help you get the most value for your money. &#8232;&#8232;DO SHARE THESE TIPS WITH OTHERS!&#8232;&#8232;WHERE TO BUY USA GAS, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW. READ ON&#8232;&#8232;Gas rationing in the 80's worked even though we grumbled about it. It might even be good for us! The Saudis are boycotting American goods. We should return the favor.  An interesting thought is to boycott their GAS.  &#8232;&#8232;Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia .  Just buy from gas companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis.&#8232;Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my family, and my friends.&#8232;&#8232;I thought it might be interesting for you to know which oil companies are the best to buy gas from and which major companies import Middle Eastern oil.&#8232;&#8232;These companies import Middle Eastern oil:  <br>&#8232;&#8232;Shell........................... 205,742,000 barrels<br>&#8232;Chevron/Texaco......... 144,332,000 barrels&#8232;<br>Exxon /Mobil............... 130,082,000 barrels<br>&#8232;Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels&#8232;<br>Amoco............................62,231,000 barrels&#8232;&#8232;<br><br>Citgo gas is from South America , from a Dictator who hates Americans. If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18 BILLION! (oil is now $90 - $100 a barrel)&#8232;&#8232;Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:&#8232;&#8232;&#8232;<br>Sunoco..................0 barrels<br>&#8232;&#8232;Conoco..................0 barrels&#8232;<br>Sinclair.................0 barrels<br>&#8232;BP/Phillips............0 barrels&#8232;<br>Hess.......................0 barrels&#8232;<br>ARCO....................0 barrels&#8232;<br><br>If you go to Sunoco.com, you will get a list of the station locations near you.&#8232;&#8232;All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and each is required to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing.&#8232;&#8232; But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of gas buyers. It's really simple to do.&#8232;&#8232;Now, don't wimp out at this point.... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!! &#8232;&#8232;I'm sending this note to about thirty people.  If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers!!!!!!!  If those three million get e xc ited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! &#8232;&#8232;If it goes one level further, you guessed it.....THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!&#8232;Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. How long would all that take? &#8232; <br><br><br>This is good but what it doesn't tell me is where is the non-middle eastern imported oil coming from? <br><br><br><br>
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#359423 - 04/30/08 02:27 AM Re: Bush's solution [Re: iBookmaster]
polymerase Offline


Registered: 04/19/02
Posts: 11640
Virtually all of your friend's email is a pile of worthless tips.<br><br>

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#359424 - 04/30/08 02:51 AM Re: Bush's solution [Re: polymerase]
iBookmaster Offline
WTF (Why The Face?)

Registered: 01/27/08
Posts: 1164
Loc: USA
That's a matter of opinion I think. They are tips that can make small improvements, not big ones. Combine these with traditional tips and it could add up. <br><br>How about the non-middle east gas companies? Do you have any info on that?<br><br>
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#359425 - 04/30/08 11:30 AM Re: Bush's solution [Re: DLC]
Llewelyn Offline
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Registered: 10/05/04
Posts: 2526
I heard yesterday that due to fuel price increases we were using less oil. Trouble is that China and India are using more than we're using less, so world demand is still increasing.<br><br>I used to think it was terrible that life was unfair. Then I thought what if life were fair and all of the terrible things that happen came because we really deserved them? Now I take comfort in the general unfairness and hostility of the universe.
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#359426 - 04/30/08 01:25 PM Re: Bush's solution [Re: DLC]
electricron Offline
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Registered: 01/06/08
Posts: 231
Loc: Texas
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>That won't help much now::<br>(1) it'll take ~7 years before one drop hits the market.<br>(2) They have no idea how much is really there. maybe 2 yrs - 5 ys 10 ys worth... who knows?<br>(3) It will probably not do anything much to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.<p><hr></blockquote><p>That's the same line that I read 7 years ago. If Anwar was opened up 7 years ago, we'll be seeing the first oil from it now. Any amount is better than none.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Reducing our consumption would have immediate effects on supply and demand,how about slowing down to 55 or 60..mph?<p><hr></blockquote><p>I'll agree, any amount of less demand = the same amount of more supply.<br>Driving 55 mph to 60 mph will save gas, but you'll have to convince the drivers.<br>I made this suggestion just a few weeks ago, and most responders didn't agree.<br><br>The only factor that seems to make any effect upon Americans is price. So let the price rise.<br><br>
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#359427 - 04/30/08 01:49 PM Re: Bush's solution [Re: electricron]
iBookmaster Offline
WTF (Why The Face?)

Registered: 01/27/08
Posts: 1164
Loc: USA
I've been driving 58-60 for about a month or 2 now. Not really thinking about making an impact on oil consumption, but for my own savings. <br><br>
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#359428 - 04/30/08 02:46 PM Re: Bush's solution [Re: iBookmaster]
Llewelyn Offline
Just a wanderer

Registered: 10/05/04
Posts: 2526
Which is the main drive in any consumer reduction in usage. You won't encourage people to use less gas or energy efficient measures at home by telling them that their current usage is bad for the environment - but by telling them (and demonstrating to them) that it's bad for their wallet.<br><br>I used to think it was terrible that life was unfair. Then I thought what if life were fair and all of the terrible things that happen came because we really deserved them? Now I take comfort in the general unfairness and hostility of the universe.
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#359429 - 04/30/08 04:09 PM Re: Bush's solution [Re: electricron]
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Registered: 11/04/02
Posts: 20167
Loc: Lindale, TX (Tyler)
"That's the same line that I read 7 years ago. If Anwar was opened up 7 years ago, we'll be seeing the first oil from it now. '<br><br>well can't disagree Ron, but I'm reluctant- we provide more oil and people never change their habits like around Atlanta driving 75-80+ - Average speed not the exception. and I'm not kidding. When I do drive (2 times a week- van pool the other 3) I drive 70-75 on Hwy 78, and pickups (mainly) are passing me like I'm some 75 yr old little gray haired lady ! Some have to be doing 85+. I do see 1 or 2 a week pulled over, but it's very inadequate... maybe catching 1% !!<br><br>Not thrilled with prices but there are some + sides: people being a little more conservative, less CO2, and maybe this will spurr more to examine their habits.. I know several at CDC that have joined van pools in the past 2 months and many looking to !!<br><br>David (OFI)
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#359430 - 04/30/08 05:04 PM Re: Bush's solution [Re: DLC]
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Registered: 04/21/02
Posts: 17704
Loc: Pinellas Park, Florida
I've driven I-75 in downtown Atlanta. What is it? 55 mph speed limit tops? Folks are going 75-80 and no police presence at all. I've also driven the I-285 Loop/Bypass at rush hour. Bumper to bumper at 70 mph is insane! You watch for brake lights 1/4 mile ahead and react to them.<br><br>
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