You really need to reload as you are circling back to your old stuff. Your going to call Obama an empty suit again. I gave up outrage a long time ago. I politely imply that mudslinging isn't a nice thing to do and you call my outrage deafening? Zounds, you have a peculiar sense of my sensibilities.<br><br>I am a happy scout. I think Obama has a real chance. I don't think he is "toast". I have a feeling that the entire Republican party is going to take a heavy reaming in November and people who are invested in them and their party might be running scared.<br><br>Barack is toast because he says there are bitter people in America who have been marginalized. Barack is toast because he has a screaming preacher and a wife who says she hates America.<br>Fizzle frazzle that sounds just awful. Except it is a pile of doo doo.<br><br>Meanwhile what else have we got? Oh, wait, there are a couple of issues which we haven't talked about in sometime. Let's take a look at John McCain and look at these two dead albatrosses he has hanging about his neck because he is attached by the hip to a failed presidency.<br><br>Albatross One: The Iraq War.<br>Albatross Two: The failed economy. <br><br>These two albatrosses are in fact birds of a feather since albatross two is so much larger because of albatross one. Three trillion dollars bigger added to a ten trillion dollar debt. <br><br>And we continue to argue about whether Pennsylvanians are stupid enough to vote against Obama, make him toast, because of all the things you have brought to this table. Screaming preacher, elitist. <br><br>I wouldn't presume that your fear is deafening. Mostly I think you are pulling our collective legs because you cannot really believe all these things you bring up mean anything but stupid mud slinging. You really are laughing aren't you? You don't really want Senator McCain to win do you? Do you really want our troops in Iraq for ten more years? Really. Why don't we discuss something real. Like where these troops will appear from. <br><br>Or I guess we can go back to discussing how a politician cannot utter a word in San Francisco because of course he would be construed as an elitist. (I loved that point of your 12 pointer. San Francisco has actual sidewalks, not like those hillbillies in Pennsylvania!)<br><br>
Loc: Syracuse, NY
Barack is telling voters, that if they are bitter than the government hasn't done enough for them. You hayseeds need more control. I suppose that is salve for some. But church going, gun totting Americans won't see it that way. <br><br>And the Iraq situation and the economy will not turn in the next election cycle. The beauty of this canard has always been the ability to lay the success or failure at the feet of the current administration. Whether Dem's or Repub's end up with these two issue's is irrelevant at this stage. The chicken's will only come home to roost after the election. <br><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by mojo_jojo on 04/14/08 10:45 PM (server time).</EM></FONT></P>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Barack is telling voters, that if they are bitter than the government hasn't done enough for them. <p><hr></blockquote><p>Perhaps. But instead you could say voters are bitter because government has continued to screw them. In the past eight years they have seen a shaky economy start to collapse. But who gets the tax breaks, the rich, while they get screwed. Who sends their kids to Iraq? They do while the rich take a pass on that one. The federal Interstate has always been a shambles in Pennsylvania. In winter it can be hard to even traverse Interstate 80 in four wheel drive. Why? Because nobody cares about those hillbillies. Politicians think they just care about guns and religion and that's it. But I think they are getting a little sick of it. They are giving Hillary an earful at least.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p> But church going, gun totting Americans won't see it that way. <br><p><hr></blockquote><p>I think you are selling the intelligence of those gun toting church goers a little short. I think they are sick of being taken advantage of by people who think they are stupid. <br><br><br><br><br>
c&p from democraticunderground thread:<br><br><br>"This is the blowback I mentioned that was coming for Hillary.<br><br>I knew that she would not be able to stop banging her pot on this issue. She kept on using it over and over and over again. She used it in her stump speeches on Friday and Saturday. She had the gall to use it at the CNN Compassion Forum. Perhaps this is why she only got polite applause while Obama got a standing ovation when he both entered and exited the stage. He had the grace to say it's politics as usual and instead, said "we should be lifting the country up instead of tearing each other down." Note that he didn't say SHE. He said WE. Clinton can only dream of having such grace and dignity.<br><br>And she staged an entire event around pointing out that she's a down-to-earth people person who throws back shots with the men while she saunters around with beer in hand, forgetting about her two mansions and $109 million in the bank. It's about as authentic as Dukakis in the tank. Maybe it was the buzz from the booze that caused her to plan an entire week of events around Obamas statement, but it was definitely the hangover to the morning polls that must have given her a headache. If she really is a down-to-earth person from a small-town in the rust-belt like myself (I grew up in a small town in northeast Ohio), she must have cursed and spat as Gallup showed an increase lead for Obama nationally and several respectable PA-specific polls came out showing no loss, and even some gain for Obama in PA since Friday. She must have thought, 'WTF do I have to do to knock this guy down in the polls?'<br><br>Her hangover must have gotten worse as she appeared before the American Association of Manufacturers and she started retelling the story of Obama's statement and how Pennsylvanians ought to interpret it, and she was told "NO" in loud shouts by the audience and when she tried to continue and say that they weren't bitter, more loud yells of "NO", denying her any sort of gain from it. The remaining of the speech was awkward and silent with no more shouts, but also, no applause or cheering.<br><br>And tonight, in Philadelphia, while addressing the Philadelphia County Democratic Party's Jefferson-Jackson Dinner, where the press had arrived nearly two hours before hand, she was forced to cut her speech short right around 5 minutes when a chatty and meddlesome crowd kept her from grasping their attention. The crowd was never quiet during her speech or afterward. <br><br>Yes, Pennsylvanians are smart Hillary. They understand what Obama said, very clearly. You think they are stupid enough to believe your twisted interpretation of it, but they get it. And they are pissed at an elitist like yourself who has never had to work a hard day in your life, who has $109 million in the bank and pays Union-busters like Mark Penn as your chief strategist and who sits on the board of Walmart where goods sold come from China who has the nerve to tell them how they should see things. Pennsylvanians don't want to see the world through Hillary-eyes. They have their own, very good, understanding of it. And they are telling you loud and clear that they don't want you looking down your nose at them telling them how they should see the world."<br><br>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p><br>And the Iraq situation and the economy will not turn in the next election cycle.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Say what? You don't even call it a war? That is not going to come up as a talking point between Obama and McCain? That is precious. <br><br>Now the economy you might have a wee bit of traction on that statement except for the rotten timing of the whole thing. The first George Bush had bad timing. Do you remember,"It's the economy stupid!" That will be blamed fairly or unfairly on George W Bush and the Republican party which is the cut tax and spend party. I wish it were not true that they have crippled our economy so badly that they will be blamed for everything. I don't blame them for high gas prices, nor do I blame them for the house I can't flip. (Basically because I want high gas prices so we use less and I don't have a house to flip.) But I will blame Bush and the Republicans for the 3 trillion dollar addition to our already bulging debt. And if someone else blames McCain for gas and house prices as well as everything else circling the drain I will cringe and bear it. <br><br>Iraq "situation" not an issue. Do you make this stuff up out of whole cloth or is there a comedy website I need to visit?<br><br>
local yokel who is voting for McCain and saying that Obama is spot on with his description. <br><br>duh.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Barack is telling voters, that if they are bitter than the government hasn't done enough for them.<p><hr></blockquote><p>he's not saying that -- he's saying that politicians have made promise after promise after promise all while these small towns are losing jobs and seeing the living conditions deteriorate. he's not saying they are bitter because they expect more from the gov't; rather, they are bitter because their communities are crumbling and the gov't has made decisions that have made matters worse (e.g., NAFTA). there is a difference between being bitter about the gov't not doing enough and being bitter about having a gov't that is seen as being counter productive.<br><br><br><br><br>--<br>[color:red] Kansas Jayhawks -- 2008 National Champions </font color=red>
I think Obama will gain and Hillary continue to slide... <br>she has done nothing to increase her desirability nor standing... and Bill has hurt her too, coming off with his 2 faced hypocrisy. I have lost a lot of respect for them both.<br><br>But in the General election , we'll see if the American voter is true to his own words. All indications point to change, getting out of Iraq, fixing the economy, fixing the bleeding of jobs, etc, and if any Morons thing John McCain will do one thing towards any of those goals, they're totally delusional. Maybe Obama won't get them changed either, but I think he'lll try which is 3 steps more than McCain will do. and if McCain is elected, watch for an economic disaster on the order of the Great Depression ....which may happen anyway with all the damage GW has done.<br><br>David (OFI)
<br>Somehow I just don't think of Yoyo as either a Hillbilly, or as stupid.<br>Nor do I think of him as a gun-totting Bible Thumper...<br>...maybe he should move. <br><br>[color:green]"...or am I a butterfly that's dreaming she's a woman?"</font color=green> [color:green]. . . _ _ _ . . .</font color=green><br>
I started out favoring her<br>then not being able to decide<br>I started liking what I heard<br>messages of hope from Obama<br><br>I still tried to keep an open mind<br>but the more she opens her mouth<br>the further she drops in my esteem<br>Ms ChipMonk is on the slalom to Hell.<br><br>I don't wish to be confrontational, but I<br>can't figure out what Ms. Bird sees in her. <br><br><br>[color:green]"...or am I a butterfly that's dreaming she's a woman?"</font color=green> [color:green]. . . _ _ _ . . .</font color=green><br>
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