Loc: Alexandria, VA
I might suggest you go to his website and educate yourself =)<br><br>Obama's economic proposals<br><br>There's also a link there to a pdf with 48 pages of fairly gooey detail (well, as gooey as a political document probably gets), as well as links to other relevant documents ...<br><br>You might not agree with his proposals, but to imply he hasn't addressed the issue is incorrect ...<br><br>Turn up the signal, wipe out the noise ...
Loc: Alexandria, VA
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>I don't believe ANY president has EVER been elected on bitterness and frustration!<p><hr></blockquote><p>Good thing Obama's not running on that then. In order to tell people what you're going to do to solve problems, you have to define what the problems are in the first place. The trouble some people seem to have is that Obama is using language to define these issues that has not been used by very many politicians running for president. For example, he's telling people that there's still race issues in this country that need to be addressed, because there are. He's telling people that they're pissed-off about economic issues that aren't being dealt with, because they are. He's telling people that they've lost faith in the ability of their leaders to actually address important issues, so they instead base their vote on other things such as faith and religion -- because that's what's happening.<br><br>In short, he appears to be "telling it like it is" -- which historically politicians have avoided like the plague. So I can see why McCain and Clinton were quick to castigate him for it, because if they didn't, they might be forced to address issues in a similar fashion, and that makes them nervous ...<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>-- Armchair psychoanalysis of Obama's demeanor --<p><hr></blockquote><p>0_o<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Time has come to put some real proposals on the table.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Time has come for you to read them.<br><br>For your convenience, here are his economic proposals I linked to in another post. I'm led to believe they've been available for quite some time to anyone making the effort to actually find out what his proposals are.<br><br>If you're interested in his positions on other issues, that information also has been available on that site for quite a while ...<br><br><br><br><br>Turn up the signal, wipe out the noise ...
you're wasting your time. i have linked to that stuff previously and it's always been ignored. some folks here would rather listen to this stump speech or that one and decide that's all there is.<br><br><br>--<br>[color:red] Kansas Jayhawks -- 2008 National Champions </font color=red>
CNN flips this Obama issue back onto Clinton and McCain better than Obama can do it. <br><br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G8dRMofHNs">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G8dRMofHNs</><br><br><br>--<br>[color:red] Kansas Jayhawks -- 2008 National Champions </font color=red>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p><br>Next time he speaks, turn off the sound and just watch him.<p><hr></blockquote><p> In all sincerity Eck it seems with all of your posts about Obama your reactions read as if this is all that you do. You discuss the most superficial layer of Obama, how he sounds, how he looks, how is voice pattern is like a preacher. You really should follow some of 6of1 links or sean's links and read what Obama stands for and you might not sound so silly to folks who have.<br><br>Obama has not been handing out the same old panaceas. He has said taxes cannot be cut. They have to go up. He has told religious conservatives that gay bashing is wrong. He has told Utah that Yucca Mountain will need to be used. Countless times Sean has pointed out what he told automakers in Detroit and Wall Street. He does not tell people what they what they want to hear. He tells them the truth.<br><br>Then when you do decide he is speaking the truth you scoff at his answers because they are not possible. He cannot get us quickly out of Iraq, he cannot fix anything. But then your answers sound like a man with a TV with the sound off.<br><br>Turn the video off. Read the words. Read Obama's policy papers. Pick a topic, he has a policy. It may seem from a distance that all we care about here in America is how these politicians sound like this minute and we care nothing for any underlying policy but if you think that you are watching a little too much video news. <br><br><br><br>
..... I spent MANY MANY HOURS going through ALL the sections of his site.<br>So, while you may disapprove of or question my stance, it sure isn't based on ignorance of the materials Obama has provided.<br><br>A Wikipedia-level list of social, economical and political ills followed by countless solutions, each starting with "Obama will...." contrasted by the rather limited experience in his portfolio ..... when this man speaks of how previous politicians have promised the sky to the people, well, excuse me, but what has he actually done in not even one single term in the Senate? <br><br>It isn't as though one could judge him by his deeds. He was involved (some say this was done by a King-maker buddy) in a few bills over a circa one-year period. That's it. The rest are words. Two books and this gigantic "Obama will..." web-site.<br><br>What remains is his public presentation. <br><br>In fact, this may well be the ONLY part of his persona, which is truly accessible, and please, don't tell me it doesn't matter.<br>A president must be a people-mover and demagogue by profession. The presidential system demands it.<br>He is judged as much by how he does things as by what he does. <br>Examples abound of candidates, who may have had all the right ideas, and then ..... a few tears, a silly photo or an unfortunate yell, and it all goes down the drain... regardless of what else the man might have stood for.<br><br>So, I realize that I may be quite alone in my position: I simply don't trust the man!<br><br>Okay, I won't make any more comments on Obama. <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
"Humor ist, wenn man trotzdem lacht" (Humour means laughing despite of it)
Please don't ban yourself from speaking about Obama because I think your analysis is shallow. You have a little tougher skin than that. Having a European view here is needed. But if you post that we should look at how Obama walks I have to laugh and I call a spade a spade. <br><br>You say you don't trust the man but you don't articulate why. You blame him for his youth and inexperience which sounds like you use the Hillary experience calculator which is known to be faulty. (First Lady and corporate lawyering don't count as experience. I would take most of it as anti experience. All it teaches is how cool it is to live in the White House and teaches underhanded tricks to get oneself back in.)<br><br>I will articulate my problem with Obama's lack of experience. I love it. His legislative experience as a state senator are known. His entire life is known. I would favor his mixed bag and eclectic life over the Navy brat life (of privilege since his family were admirals) of McCain or Clinton's Wellesley College life.<br><br>But what really counts is his experience on a topic in which he was right and the other two were wrong. The Iraq War. You can have a century of experience but if it causes you to come to the wrong conclusions it isn't worth a hill of beans.<br><br>Topic switch: But you say a President must be a demagogue and a people mover and accessible. Hello? These are the very things you have always criticized Obama for. He can move a whole auditorium to tears. He is accessible as they come. Even though he does not tell the audience everything is going to be great because he will fix everything they still go for it. <br><br>In this latest "gaffe" Obama is telling that Pennsylvania crowd the truth. They are bitter because they have been screwed. Screwed by every politician that has flapped their lips at them. Up until yesterday all they heard was "vote for me and everything will be rosy and the rust will come off the belt in the rust belt." Obama is not saying that. He is saying life for them sucks. If I was in Altoona or Scranton and someone told me that I would say, "gee, a politician that actually listened to us down here. Life does suck and we are bitter."<br><br>To listen to McCain and Clinton belittle this truth with, "Pennsylvanians are hard workers and they are proud and not bitter" is about as laughable as it comes. Hopefully Pennsylvanians will listen to the truth. Because Obama is a man with a plan for them that does not include lying them into believing that life is rosy and taxes can be lowered and the government can solve all of their problems.<br><br>If you have spent many hours reading Obama's policy papers please prove it. Explain to me why you hate one of his policies. I know the political posts in this forum are 95% video and gaffes and nothing of any substance but you do not have to do the same thing. Leave the video out, turn off the YouTube and explain why you do not trust this man.<br><br>You are not allowed to just say you don't like him and take your ball and go home. I will taunt you a third time if you do that.<br><br><br><br><br>
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