[color:blue]Afghanistan is a quagmire, because we abandoned it in favor of the "glory" for GW of invading Iraq. We should have stayed and stabilized Afghanistan.</font color=blue><br><br>Afghanistan is a quagmire, because no outsider can defeat or "stabilize" a nation of tribal chiefs and guerilla fighters.<br>The Russians couldn't ..... so what on earth makes you believe the US could? <br><br>Even people who are for Obama and against the Iraq war, still seem to carry that conviction that there might have been a way of "winning" this thing.... by stabilizing the country. It was doomed from the start. <br>War is a ridiculous means of dealing with political problems these days.<br>Either you go all out and commit genocide. Or you enter the trenches and watch your own people turn savage and brutal. Hearing the president defend the use of torture must rank as a high point of American history. <br><br>Bin Laden is already a hero and martyr. Catching, humiliating and hanging him would only add to his aura. <br>And justice? Well now, that went down the drain the moment the leaders of the free world lied to us all.<br><br>Let it go!<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
"Humor ist, wenn man trotzdem lacht" (Humour means laughing despite of it)
[color:blue]Does anyone listen to OBL or is that traitorous?</font color=blue><br><br>No it's not traitorous. We do need to embark on confidence-building measures with al Qaeda by opening up a dialogue to see what steps can be taken on the road to peace. I don't suppose OBL would have much confidence in the process at first and probably wouldn't trust us to himself appear in person but we could try to convince him over a period of time by talking with some of his lieutenants off the record and try to demonstrate that we mean peace by starting to act on some of his suggestions like withdrawing troops from Islamic lands.<br><br>km<br><br>
[color:blue]confidence-building measures with al Qaeda by opening up a dialogue to see what steps can be taken on the road to peace</font color=blue>- they want world islam dominance - you can take that road I won't<br><br>
Poly<br><br>The whole problem is Bush going into Iraq - The Taliban had to go even the Arab league agreed, they too were embarrassed of Afghanistan travesties against their own people plus playing a great host to terrorist training bases. Anyway<br><br>If there was no Iraq - Afghanistan would be a lot more secure with better focus.<br><br>IMO<br><br>
[color:blue]they want world islam dominance</font color=blue><br><br>It's not about what they want but what they can have. The IRA wanted Britain to relinquish control of Northern Ireland but through confidence building measures achieved through off the record contacts with the republican movement we broke the cycle of violence and gained peace without surrendering sovereignty.<br><br>km<br><br>
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