Loc: Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
If you were following the news lately, the 15-minute movie "Fitna" have been causing rage in Islamic communities. To get a brief, a link on wiki explained it:<br>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitna_(film)<br><br>The narrower the thinking, the more raged people become.. To borrow a thought from The Matrix' Merovingian, it's all cause and effect. Not to mention how the local cultures were disguised with Islam (like what happens to females of all ages in places like Sudan and Afghanistan is culture and NOT Islam).<br><br>As I was upset with the international reactions from the Danish cartoons, I'm now more upset with the reactions from this movie.. I was relieved to see more peaceful (non-violent) reactions on both occasions here in Saudi Arabia, I know the world is looking at us with a microscope.<br><br>Ok, going back to causality, what caused the misunderstanding?<br>- Hidden political and economical agendas of certain individuals, lead those individuals to plot the steps to achieve their goals.<br>- To achieve their goals, they've selected violence, as they have criminal minds and cannot think with other methods.<br>- The easiest way to recruit sheep is to appeal to them personally, and the fastest path to touch anybody personally is religion, with a blend of local cultures.<br>- In our region, Islam is the most common religion, thus it's the religion of choice to recruit as many people as possible. If they cannot be recruited, they'll at least be supporters.<br>- The plots were made and the violent spree began: assassinations, bombings, mass murders, militia, ... etc.<br>- The sheep wearing the cloak of Islam, started doing whatever their leader told them to, and since it was religious it was unquestionable.<br>+ Backfires: local cultures were exported/imported.<br>+ Backfires: the world's powers were not busy licking their wounds, but stood up.<br>+ Backfires: taking much longer than original plotted for, and new players started popping up.<br><br><br>The rest was bad history, and most of us witnessed it and it emotionally scarred us.. Among the scarred people are those who drew the cartoons and made the "Fitna" movie.. But did we, in the nations of Islam, try to heal the scars? No.. And for that I sincerely apologize for not making an effort in clarifying the bad picture those criminals painted of Islam. <br><br><br>[color:blue]flick</font color=blue>[color:red]r</font color=red>
prayer<br><br>is that what this is all about?<br>and which people prey on which folks?<br><br>perhaps nothing is hidden anymore<br>I've seen old friends buy 30ish round clips for their glocks?<br><br>guess to defend against all the UNEDUCATED (highly skilled in cheating) vermin that's sure to come to a LCD/TV/Monitor near you; I mean corner.<br>blame so and so' policies<br>down to the families that could not afford to keep their young alive<br>to the young that become tools of big biz<br>not even free parks for them to bike, skate or race in...<br><br>just be patient they say<br>over. over. cough cough . over<br>it's...<br><br>[color:green]Cleansed by the grassroots hardcore.</font color=green>
I am so sorry, Waleed. I had to go find the movie to understand what is happening. You're right. It's very inflammatory, and even I can see that it does not represent Islam, but the factions of violence which move under Islam's broad cloak. And yet it does speak some truth, too. Those pages are in the Koran, and it's up to Islam to desensitize them, if not remove them. Of course, removal will never happen, and those who preach to ignore those passages, or to interpret them symbolically, not literally, will be labeled heretics and demonized. <br><br>In other words, we're all in one big heap o' trouble. I don't know how to fix it; do you? I'm more angered and sorrowful that our very own Oval Office Occupant, Dubya, has unleashed forces of which he has no conception. His ignorance, however, was willful, and therefore is evil. The thousands of innocent lives lost to this illegal, immoral war can never be replaced or compensated for. It is beyond any reckoning. Neither Jihad, nor apology, nor atonement of any sort can ever set this right again. I think there is only one possible way to bring our nations, religions, and peoples back to peace: forgiveness. Everyone on both sides will have to forgive, unconditionally, and start again. Each side will have to police their own, because any attempts to defend ourselves or yourselves will only result in more violence. <br><br>Forgiveness is the only way to wipe the slate clean and put all people back on an even footing. Forgiveness is supposed to be built-in to Christianity, but I assure you it's not practiced broadly. Many of our fundamentalist sects actually DO understand the concept of forgiveness. Our problem is the every-day Christian who goes to church on Sunday, and for 2 hours after church feels very repentant and morally superior, then forgets all about religion until the wife drags him to church again the next Sunday. These are the people who are least likely to understand and practice the concept of forgiveness. These are the ones most likely to react to this film with "nuke 'em." Come to think of it, no need to make this a holy war. Our problem isn't just that every day Christian, but everyone who acts before they think. Anyone who can't forgive, anyone who can't say "calm down; let go of your anger," will be our problem. All our problems. Both sides. <br><br>This is a huge issue. If Islamists -- whether they are authentic or just using the cloak for their own ends -- push the right buttons in the West, I fear that they will indeed find themselves vaporized in a desert of vitreous sand. That's not a threat; I certainly do not mean to perpetrate the imagery of war. It's just the way our people will ultimately deal with something that threatens their very existence (in their minds). Such a reaction of course would be suicidal on our part, too, as it would touch off World War III, and the cockroaches would inherit New York City.<br><br>If that's the best the human race can do, then so be it. Maybe evolution will come up with better creatures next time around. But I would like to believe that humanity could learn to forgive before committing self-immolation in an atomic flash. <br><br>I sincerely hope we can look back at this in 20 years and breathe a sigh of relief that this path toward the flash-point was averted and healed. <br><br>Shooshie<br><br><br><br><br>[color:green]Pictures and things</font color=green>
Loc: Syracuse, NY
Wow. I just finished watching Fitna on YouTube. I cannot believe for one instant that rational, fellow human beings would ever have hatred for others to that degree. Those that do are not part of the brotherhood of man and need to be exposed and eliminated as a cancer. <br><br>
I don't know if anyone can really claim to "understand" the messages of inverted flag. We read them and absorb the vibrations. <br><br><br>Shooshie<br><br><br><br><br>[color:green]Pictures and things</font color=green>
Loc: Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
I have friends who embrace different faiths and religions, and a couple who do not.. Still, we have a common denominator and that's humanity, which can never change no matter what. People are judged by their actions, not by the actions of other people with the same T-shirts..<br><br>I cannot hold a Jewish person responsible for everything that happens in Palestine.. <br>I cannot hold a British or an American person responsible for everything that happens by their governments.<br>I can, however, try to defend my religion when it's misrepresented with cold-blooded criminal acts like that.<br><br>Oh well... I doubt this turmoil will fade away in 20 years... 3 to 4 centuries see more like it..<br><br>[color:blue]flick</font color=blue>[color:red]r</font color=red>
Loc: Hampstead, MD, USA
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>And for that I sincerely apologize for not making an effort in clarifying the bad picture those criminals painted of Islam. <p><hr></blockquote><p>There's certainly no need to apologize for anything. I think most of us here are above such things, certainly you are. As someone who's had many Muslim friends from Pakistan his whole life, I know better. We all know we have differing beliefs, and I think most of us respect each others faiths, or for some of us, non faiths. Yeah, we razz each other here, but hey what are friends for, right? After all, ultimately religion should be a personal thing. <br><br>Unfortunately, as always it seems, it's the few that are ruining it for the many. I just have to shake my head and wonder how long the many are going to put up with those few. Personally I don't think it will be much longer.<br><br><br>Hey I'm an F'n Jerk!®
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Loc: Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Like in most holy books, they contain document history and highlight the moral of the stories.. Certain passages of historical documentation (NOT instructions) were linked with actual terrorist events and local acts from Sudan (female genitals), Afghanistan (female murder), and the Shi'aa (head bleeding with swords)..<br><br>Exactly how the sheep were trained to be "Muslim martyrs".. They are all criminals and Islam is not a faith of crime..<br><br>Here's something I found on YouTube that explains the history of Islam, if anybody is interested:<br>- Islam 1 of 5<br>- Islam 2 of 5<br>- Islam 3 of 5<br>- Islam 4 of 5<br>- Islam 5 of 5<br><br>[color:blue]flick</font color=blue>[color:red]r</font color=red>
You shouldn't feel as though you have to clarify anything, Waleed. This kind of thing no more represents Islam than our Ku Klux Klan represents American Christianity. It all brings to mind one of my favorite quotes ~<br><br>"We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory will swell when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature." ~ Mr. Lincoln, from his first Inaugural address. <br><br>Sadly, our country went on the fight the Civil War, but to this day, those words still inspire hope.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br>[color:white]xx</font color=white>[color:blue]I always deserve it. Really.</font color=blue><br><br>
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