<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>I can't believe anyone could hear that speech and still be saying these things. That wasn't just rhetoric.<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>I agree with you Shooshie. It may be one of those speeches that only gets credit for its significance in historical perspective. Political opponents aren't going to pay attention to what Obama really said and the media simply follows the hype.<br><br>I see it as a speech that transcends this presidential campaign, although it was politically expedient for him to give the speech. In the political context of it, he was distancing himself from the blame whitey black nationalism which had previously been beneficial to him politically. I heard talking heads saying he threw his white grandmother "under the bus." But I think even more significantly was that he threw extreme black nationalism under the bus. In doing that, it showed he isn't just walking the political tightrope, but instead is rejecting all forms of racial divisiveness.<br><br>As much as I was impressed with the speech, which I heard most of live and then listened to it all later, it won't affect my opposition to him being elected president since as a Democrat he stands for all the things about the Democrats which have kept me from voting for one since 1988 (when I voted for Senator Boren in Oklahoma).<br><br>GBR (OFI)
Funny you should say that, Global. I don't have a party. I keep hoping that ONE person will defy their party and do something right for the world. Obama appears to have more integrity in that regard. I have a feeling he would be the guy who might stand up and say "no more of this new world order." Your guys, on the other hand, are the ones who are manipulating us right out of a country. I can't believe you follow them as a party, since the party is officially pledged to end the USA as we know it. <br><br>Shooshie<br><br><br><br><br><br>[color:green]Pictures and things</font color=green>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>...the party is officially pledged to end the USA as we know it.<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>Now if you were talking about the Democrats I would be in total agreement.<br><br>Actually, if the Republicans actually did what Republicans officially stood for (Party platform or whatever) I might call myself a Republican. I'd say technically I'm more of an anti-Democrat. If a third party actually stood a chance getting anywhere in our two-party government, I might have someone else to vote for who is not a Democrat.<br><br>And while I'm sure I understand where you're coming from on this from reading your posts since the year 2000, I'm also sure there has been nothing official (or unofficial) from the Republican Party about a pledge to end the USA as we know it. Officially, I don't think the Republicans have changed much since I've been involved in politics. And that's approaching 40 years. Anything that could be construed as a major change would have been 1980, I suppose, and there were some quite positive changes then, in my opinion.<br><br>Sorry you think I've given myself over to the Dark Side.<br><br>GBR (OFI)
Giving yourself to the dark side and just being mistaken are two different things. The US has already been changed by Bush. It's not the country it was before he got in office. That's pretty much the Republican pledge: to spend money we don't have, to keep us engaged in prolonged wars that destroy our ties with allies and our respect from the rest of the world, and to keep hacking away at individual rights so that people are beholden to corporations and the wealthy with little or no recourse.<br><br>THAT has already happened. You cannot say it hasn't, for it has. I can point you to the legislation, and if you can't see the events, the war, the spending, etc., then there's nothing I could do or say to change that, for you'd be officially incapable of seeing the reality around you. But I think you do see all that. You're just still under the illusion that it's all taking us somewhere "good." That, my friend, is the illusion I'd like for you to reach through and tear down so that you can see what is really happening, and be aware of the people who have caused it. <br><br>Again, there's not much more I can say. You've read my posts, as you said, since 2000. You've seen countless pages, links, photos, videos of documentation. And yet you still don't see it? <br><br>Ok... I tried. I think no less of you. Just that you're mistaken. That's ok. We're all mistaken at times in our lives, and sometimes for a long time. It takes time to wake up. But Global, it's been 8 years. Please. Wake up, my friend. We're not in Kansas anymore.<br><br><br>Shooshie<br><br><br><br><br>[color:green]Pictures and things</font color=green>
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