Well, maybe now that Obama is so tight with this scandalous minister and his church, we can--- at least---finally say he is NOT a muslim? Or can he also still be a muslim? Sean Hannity probably thinks so.<br><br>
I've "gotten out" as much as anyone. Maybe you need to "get out" to a church and you might begin to understand what I was talking about. In my previous post, I was referring to a pastor and his conduct in a church. The use of the word "damn" in Christian circles means exactly "condemn to Hell" and that was the definition Wright was using in his now famous sound bite. It doesn't matter if someone else uses it as a cuss word or as a name of a pet, that's not the context of it in this case. And my point was that Wright was out of line as a Christian, and especially as a Christian leader, in saying America (meaning, in his view, the rich white-man oppressors who are running things) should go to Hell. Since, according to the New Testament, God wants all people to be saved and come to repentance, and since Christ came into the world not to condemn it but to save the world through him, a pastor preaching a sermon of damnation for any individual or group of individuals is totally out of line. And anyone else who does the same thing is just as much out of line and is preaching something other than the gospel of Christ.<br><br><br><br>GBR (OFI)
You don't think there are many Christian denominations? That the denomination that you attend verbalizes their preaching in one way and a black preacher in the South Side of Chicago may use an entirely different vocabulary to instill into black teenagers in his church the same love for Christ but in a way that your choir might take offense?<br><br>When I when to church every day except Saturday the mass was said in Latin. Anything else was wrong. Deeply wrong. I was taught that by my priest and pastor. You as a non Catholic went to purgatory because you did not follow the right Jesus and bless the sacrament in Latin.<br><br>That is what you sound like to me right now. This black preacher wants to enthuse a rough crowd that right outside the church doors their brothers and sisters are being shot or dealing crack. And you take offense that he says "God damn America" for sending their brothers and sisters to jail on three strikes? That America has one drug law for white people (powder cocaine) and a much stiffer drug law for the drug on their streets (crack cocaine). <br><br>I understand that if he went to preach at your church he would be thrown in the street. But your preacher giving a sermon in his church would be laughed out of the building. "Can you believe that cracker?"<br><br>In your Christian circle there is a set of rules and adjectives to be used. But God damn, we're talking about the South Side of Chicago here. That you are impressing your rules on him is as idiotic as me telling you that your God is no God at all because you are not saying your Holy Mass in Latin.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>And anyone else who does the same thing is just as much out of line and is preaching something other than the gospel of Christ.<p><hr></blockquote><p> You are condemning a ton of people. Shouldn't you say "Your gospel of Christ"? Is that really one of Christ's teachings that there is only one set of rules and regulations and everyone else is doing it wrong?Man, even the Jesus Christ I was taught was not that big a jerk.<br><br>As for getting out, what I really meant was go to Chicago and listen to an entire sermon of Wright's, not a sound bite. But since he has retired, listen to a whole YouTube of Wright's. As you are doing it try to walk a mile in one of those kids in the pews shoes. Get into there skin. Walk down a Chicago Street and get rousted by the police for being black. Then maybe you will appreciate the message of Jesus is getting through to these kids. To condemn him for saying "Goddamn America" is not only silly, it's hateful.<br><br><br><br><br>
I'm not condemning anyone. To say that I don't think someone is preaching what the Bible says is what Wright or any other Christian would do if they thought another Christian had strayed from the Message. Once again, I am disagreeing with Wright and not "condemning" him as you said. There is absolutely nothing I said that was condemning of him. I just said I think he has gotten off track in his preaching. So get off your high horse of saying how can I disagree with another Christian and then mis-characterizing me as condemning someone. Nice try, but you're way off base in your characterization of me. But then if I'm disagreeing with you, I must be condemning you, at least according to your definition of the word.<br><br>To characterize my criticism of someone's blatant condemnation of others as hateful is just plain stupid. I say we need to forgive everyone like Christ forgave and you call that hateful. How ridiculous can you get? I didn't say he's not a Christian, I didn't say he should be condemned to Hell because I disagree with him, I only said in my original post on this thread that I didn't think a Christian should be telling other people to go to Hell and that we should do like Christ and forgive everyone who has wronged us, no matter how badly we've been wronged. That's hateful? Wow, you need to get a grip on reality, man. But cheer up, I'll be praying for you to get well.<br><br><br><br>GBR (OFI)
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>I only said in my original post on this thread that I didn't think a Christian should be telling other people to go to Hell and that we should do like Christ and forgive everyone who has wronged us, no matter how badly we've been wronged.<p><hr></blockquote><p>[getting off high horse] OK. then read my part about he needs to preach a bit differently to his congregation. He needs to bust a cap, get a little rough to get Jesus' message across. I have listened to Wright's entire speech. There is no way on earth if you listened to more than a sound bite that you would think he is actually condemning anyone to hell. <br><br>You are taking his words out of context and reading them literally. That is just wrong. If we all did that none of us would get along. Listen to the woman that garyw posted. Do you think that woman could possibly be listening to the demon you are painting?<br><br><br><br><br><br>
God Damn mojo, you aren't paying attention!!<br><br><br>Hmm, like that? I do not really want you to spend eternity on a flaming rotisserie being turned by Lucifer. <br><br>In quaint 1963 Martin Luther King said: [color:blue] One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languishing in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. So we have come here today to dramatize an appalling condition.<br></font color=blue><br><br>That speech made in 1963 made one hell of a lot of people angry. Angry enough to eventually murder King. Wright is saying the same thing but instead of 100 years it is now 150 years since we freed the slaves. Wright is just that much angrier. Listen to his whole speech. You have not done that or you would not be hung up on this one God damn thing. Read the whole sermon God damn it. I mean it.<br><br><br>
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