The Sunday Times reports today that before President Dubya leaves office six al Qaeda suspects held at Guantanamo Bay are to face a military tribunal for plotting the 9/11 attacks. The only problems are that alleged confessions relied on by the prosecution are said to have been obtained through oppression and torture such as waterboarding and none of the defendants are being permitted access to independent counsel. The outcome will therefore be null and void. Following Michael Hayden's admission to Congress that waterboarding had been used at Guantanamo, a practice which contravenes the Convention Against Torture, the hearings can only add pressure for those crimes to be prosecuted at the International Criminal Court.<br><br>km<br><br>
Americans & the UK are the ONLY dummies in the world, who think you can fight a war with rules. Waterboarding is lame compared to having your head lopped off by some Al Quaeda "freedom fighter" and then broadcast all over the internet. Psychological torture? <br><br>I've joined the RON PAUL REVOLUTION - www.ronpaul2008.com
"The value of the partisan is not in the amount of men and equipment he destroys, but in how many he keeps watching." COL John S. Mosby, CSA
Well despicable acts are committed by many around the globe. these people are sub- human animals... <br><br>so you'd like us to stoop to their level?<br><br>Two regimes known for their atrocities were Nazi Germany and Tojo's Japan, yet we defeated them without having gas chambers, concentration or torture camps... and we were admired by the whole world for doing so.<br><br>I'm sorry Mongol... I don't think we need to be like them to defeat them. Makes us look like a bunch of lying hypocrits !<br><br>David (OFI)
Weren't Japanese civilians in the US locked up in concentration camps? Ok, they weren't the death camps the nazis were running in Europe, but they were still concentration camps.<br><br>Also the Geneva conventions only covered how to treat soliders in uniform. Spies, sabateurs and partizans/freedom fighters were not covered and were not protected from being tortured. Also some soldiers captured were shot, against the GC, rather than taken back to secure areas behind the front lines.<br><br>I used to think it was terrible that life was unfair. Then I thought what if life were fair and all of the terrible things that happen came because we really deserved them? Now I take comfort in the general unfairness and hostility of the universe.
_________________________ I used to think it was terrible that life was unfair. Then I thought what if life were fair and all of the terrible things that happen came because we really deserved them? Now I take comfort in the general unfairness and hostility of the universe.
The Japanese were locked up in Internment camps and detained- they were provided for and were not tortured. Still Unjust !!<br><br>I think a societies morals can be judged by the way they treat the lowest members of the human race. Now I'll admit convicted terrorists probably deserve what they get BUT... many detainees haven't even seen a courtroom, needless to say Convicted . Confessing while under torture is not a legitimate confession. It's a sham of Justice... but then what else do you expect from George's gestapo ?<br><br>Maybe these guys are guilty, ...or maybe they just needed some scapegoats!<br>They way Bush does business, NO one can't tell.<br><br>David (OFI)
Whilst I agree with the general thrust of your post, Mr President, I wouldn't necessarily go so far as to say that "convicted terrorists probably deserve what they get" because "convicted" assumes due process and equality before the law which is lacking in kangaroo courts and the definition of "terrorist" is cast so widely that it includes personages who are legitimately resisting or agitating against state-sponsored terrorism, war crimes and other illegalities.<br><br>km<br>
What you say about the interment camps is true but. It has been shown that much of the information about the placement of our warships was supplied by Japanese Americans in Hawaii. <br><br>Also, I would say that if German Americans physically looked different than the 'average' American at that time they would have been interred also. In fact I think many were harassed if not worse.<br><br>dave<br><br><br><br>
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"The World War II experience of thousands of German Americans, to most, is an unknown. During World War II, the U.S. government and many Americans viewed German Americans and others of "enemy ancestry" as potentially dangerous, particularly immigrants. The government used many interrelated, constitutionally questionable methods to control persons of German ancestry, including internment, individual and group exclusion from military zones, internee exchanges, deportation, repatriation, "alien enemy" registration, travel restrictions and property confiscation.<br>The human cost of these civil liberties violations was high. Families were disrupted, if not destroyed, reputations ruined, homes and belongings lost. By the end of the war, 11,000 persons of German ancestry, including many American-born children, were interned. "<br>Internment<br><br>[color:blue][/b]Hodie mihi. Cras tibi.</font color=blue>[/b]
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