About this story from AP: Report: Military Not Ready for US Attack.<br><br>The idea that we're going to be attacked in a way amenable to military response strikes me as really far-fetched. I don't think anyone is expecting a frontal assault by the massed troops of any army. So it seems to me that there's a large dollop of fear-mongering even in asking the question about whether the armed forces are ready for an attack.<br><br>On the other hand, the statement that [color:blue]that the nation "does not have sufficient trained, ready forces available" to respond to a chemical, biological or nuclear weapons incident</font color=blue> is indeed [color:blue]"an appalling gap that places the nation and its citizens at greater risk."</font color=blue> And that's particularly the case because our ever-ready administration has theoretically made homeland security a prime concern. It makes me wonder if Brownie is in charge of that. <br><br>[color:red]</font color=red> [color:orange]</font color=orange> [color:yellow]</font color=yellow> [color:green]</font color=green> [color:blue]</font color=blue> [color:purple]</font color=purple>
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Well the only massed army that could invade is either Canada or Mexico! Everyone else needs a fleet of ships (to transport heavy support equipment).<br><br>Fleets would need aircraft cover so.....<br>While the UK could beat the Argentinian airforce with Harriers, I'm not sure they'd be up to taking on the US airforce. <br>I think the French, Russians and maybe Chinese have carriers, but a couple of carriers versus the entire airforce of the US would make any mainland approach an dodgy prospect.<br><br>Everything else is special forces type of attack, which is something a standing army is not really designed to prosecute.<br><br>I used to think it was terrible that life was unfair. Then I thought what if life were fair and all of the terrible things that happen came because we really deserved them? Now I take comfort in the general unfairness and hostility of the universe.
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There is no way in hell that you can ever be ready for an NBC attack. I mean lets get real here. The folks at my station are all Special Operations trained, and have several trailers full of Hazmat kit. We have drilled and talked through multiple scenarios having to do with NBC. There is a reason they call this stuff weapons of mass destruction. The sheer magnitude of the emergency is going to rapidly overwhelm all of us. Take something low level, like a Sarin gas attack on a local mall. We are only talking about a couple of thousand people, but once the attack happens there will be the initial fatal casualties, then you have all these people who are contaminated and in a total panic. How do you secure a mall with 30 odd ways out. You can't. Not fast enough to contain the incident. So now we have a hoard of panicked people, contaminated with toxic material, who are all streaming to the local hospitals and spreading the contamination with them. Within the first 15 minutes we will now have contamination spread over many square miles, and within 30 minutes we will loose most of our ER's due to contamination. This is just a small incident by comparison to a full on WMD attack. Take a Bio agent like Anthrax or better yet some of the tons of weapons grade Small Pox that the Russians can't account for. Now you have an agent that attacks for several days before you even get the first sick people. Then the panic follows. CDC and the government issue quarantine orders, people are afraid to leave there homes or they are trying to leave the hot zone. The entire social structure of the target area rapidly collapses. Then you have a nuke, and that's just total devastation. Limited shelter, limited road access. No electricity, no water, no sewer, no food. And that doesn't even begin to cover downwind contamination. Here in Memphis we have 700,000 people, with a daytime swell to 1million. So lets just do some basic math. Ever man woman and child is going to require 0.5 gallons of water per day just to live. Thats 500,000 gallons of potable water per day every day until the water supply is restored. Each person is going to require 3 meals per day. Thats 3 million MRE's per day. <br><br>Now lets get this stuff from a wharehouse to Memphis. I couldn't even begin to tell you how many trucks it would require to haul 3 million MRE's. Not to mention that the Government doesn't just have 3 million of them laying around in a single warehouse. So they have to be collected then loaded and shipped. Thats just 1days worth. This is going to go on. Now take the water. Your typical tanker truck can carry about 9000 gallons. Thats 55 trucks per day just for bare minimum potable water. That doesn't count water for anything else.<br><br>We haven't even begun to talk about shelter, electricity, medical supplies, etc. We are a huge nation and we can make most of this stuff happen, but there is no feesable way to store several hundred thousand generators, millions of MRE's, millions of gallons of fuel, plus medical supplies, couple of million tents......Do you see the problem. All of this is just for Memphis at peak population.<br><br>Now plug it into NYC, or Boston or Phili and you get a true feel for just how big a deal this is.<br><br>But that's not the real nightmare. The real nightmare is multiple coordinated attacks. And that boys and girls is a trademark of the bad guys. Look at the 3 embassies bombed in one day. Hell look at 911. Three out of 4 targets struck, and the last one didn't make it because the people in the plane stopped it.<br><br>News articles like this are just total bull$hit. These yahoos want to make political hay and that's all. I love a good political fight, but on this subject I'm not play-pimpin. This is the real deal here, and people need to start thinking about it in real terms, not in terms of what political party or politician can point fingers or take credit.<br><br><br>Salus populi suprema lex
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well DUH !! Bush has about broken them with his illogical, illegal wars!<br><br>spent about $800 billion and what do we have to show for it ?<br><br>cheap gas ? NOoooo!<br><br>secure Middle East ? NOoooo!<br><br>stable Iraq govt ? NOoooo!<br><br>more secure USA ? NOoooo!<br><br>more secure world ? NOoooo!<br><br><br>man what have we got ??<br><br><br>one dead US puppet dictator... that's it !! <br><br>and a 10,000s of dead and severely wounded people !! <br><br>David (OFI)
Partner I understand you hate Bush and everything he has done, and I'm certainly not trying to get into a political discussion. But I think you missed the point. <br><br>People in this country have the impression that government, be it local, state, or federal, is this omnipotent entity that will swoop like an avenging angel and save all of us in times of disaster. For small stuff that may be true. But we're not talking about small stuff here. <br><br>When I was in the Navy riding Subs we carried a bunch of life rafts. Yea that's right, life rafts on a submarine. Now we all knew full well that if anything ever happened we were dead. The life rafts were there to give the folks back home a warm fuzzy feeling, because they didn't understand what we did. <br><br>Planning for for a WMD attack is like putting life rafts on a submarine. It gives you a warm fuzzy feeling, but the truth is that no amount of planning, no amount of training, no amount of manpower is going to fully prepare you to deal with the catastrophic reality of what a WMD attack would be. Sure we plan and we train. It gives us a basic framework to respond, but people need to understand that if an attack ever happens it doesn't matter who the President is or was. It doesn't matter what political party is in power, or where we may or may not have troops. People are going to die. Lots of people are going to die. This country will take a hit like you wouldn't believe. You can get pissed of at this guy or that guy. You can hate one and vote for the other. In the end if the attack comes, none of it will mean $hit. <br><br><br><br><br><br>Salus populi suprema lex
Salus populi suprema lex
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>the nation "does not have sufficient trained, ready forces available" to respond to a chemical, biological or nuclear weapons incident<p><hr></blockquote><p> I'm worried about that and I'm not even American. Saddam amassed a huge stockpile of diabolical weapons which are still are large, including 360 tonnes of bulk chemical warfare agent, 1.5 tonnes of VX nerve agent, 3,000 tonnes of precursor chemicals, 8,500 litres of anthrax spores, growth media for biological agent production and over 30,000 special munitions for delivery of chemical and biological agents. <br><br>Until that arsenal is found it should be obvious that everyone has to be prepared for a deadly attack and indeed I understand that the weapons can be launched on intercontinental ballistic missiles and drones at only at 45 minures notice. Liberals and communists can mock and sneer as much as they like - the fact is that those weapons have still not been found even though we've been out there looking for 'em for the last four years.<br><br>km<br><br>
Loc: Finland, on the Arctic Circle
More than anything else, I found that article just attempting to justify the need to mobilize more people in uniform in the US. I don't know why exactly they'd want to do that, but I have a pretty good hunch on what might be behind the idea. Hint: it involves lots of military personnel in lots of places, and also high-ranking military personnel wielding power. Well, that might be a little far-fetched right now but that's what it sounds (reads) like.<br><br>
Loc: Yuba City, California
People in this country have the impression that government, be it local, state, or federal, is this omnipotent entity that will swoop like an avenging angel and save all of us in times of disaster. For small stuff that may be true. But we're not talking about small stuff here.<br><br>That's exactly my impression and one of the many MWWU-1 scenarios we Ordies were rehearsing in the late Seventies.<br><br>You're so right its scary: 'omnipotent entity that will swoop like an avenging angel and save all of us in times of disaster.' They didn't call 'em the Moonlighters for nothing!<br><br>Like a gangrenous limb that must be removed to save the patient, our government will do whatever is necessary to isolate and confine a contagion. It won't be necessary to mobilize thousands of armed uniforms when one man can get the job done. So you needn't worry about the spread of NBC weapons.<br><br><br>M i c h a e l (OFI)
I'm talking about their whole strategy Boothby..<br><br>it was stupoid... Custer could have done better.<br><br>but to tie us down played right into their hands... stupid...<br><br>gotta be fluid, moibile... and to occupy Iraq was a blunder most could see and did but numbnuts knew better.<br><br>he has probably recruited more terrorists and extremists than they killed !<br><br>I don't believe the Govt does everything best, but some things it's the only one who can.<br><br>David (OFI)
Loc: Pinellas Park, Florida
Boothby is right. We practiced the same scenarios when I was in the Air Force, '68-'72. I always thought, "Survivability is nil. Why bother?" You may or may not survive the initial attack, but in the long term, you're toast. That's the reason that we all laughed at the duct tape and plastic sheeting thing from Homeland Security. What a farce!<br><br><br>
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