<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p> . . . those teensy little frills which many of you seem to love . . .<p><hr></blockquote><p>Yes, we did. If you'd been here, you may well have become attached to them, too. We had them for quite awhile. We didn't think of them as frills, more as a truly fun way to customize the place. <br><br>Sorry you either didn't appreciate them or seem to think they matter now, but then, you weren't here . . .<br><br><br><br>Edit: I didn't mean for that to sound like an apology. It isn't.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>[color:blue]I always deserve it. Really.</font color=blue><br><br><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Lea on 01/26/08 10:55 PM (server time).</EM></FONT></P>
_________________________ I always deserve it. Really.
No, it doesn't sound like an apology. It sounds like someone talking to an intruder. These little changes can be important, I am sure. But we don't know offhand whether they are temporary or not. I am simply appealing for a little patience.<br><br>As for my not being here, I confess that I have spent most of my forum time at MacCentral, mostly out of a sense of loyalty to its denizens. But I WAS one of the first to sign up when Stan opened MacMinute, so I have been a long time member, just not active. I would hope that my point of view can be accepted, even if you don't agree with it, not just disregarded as something coming from an outsider.<br><br><br><br>check the date.<br><br><br>[color:blue]Laz, OFI[/i]<br><br>Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes? — Groucho<br>
"Yes, we did. If you'd been here, you may well have become attached to them, too. We had them for quite awhile. We didn't think of them as frills, more as a truly fun way to customize the place.<br><br>Sorry you either didn't appreciate them or seem to think they matter now, but then, you weren't here . . .<br><br><br><br>Edit: I didn't mean for that to sound like an apology. It isn't."<br><br>Hi Lea,<br><br>Don't worry, it didn't sound like one. <br><br>I think it's mainly a difference in perspectives, but the issue is the same. In one case an entire set of forums disappeared and in another case certain enjoyed extra privileges were lost. The similar issue is the fact that we are not in control of our own communities that we participate in daily, whether that be reading and/or posting. No matter how much or how many years we participate in these forums, someone else has their hand on the switches. The only things we are in control of is our words and level of participation. Obviously, we can and do request things, but we are at the mercy of whomever is at the switch...<br><br>I've been here since the inception of this forum, not always as an active poster, but at least as an avid reader/occasional poster. It doesn't really matter. As we all found out with MC, our participation matters more to us than to the site owners. I say that with all due respect to Stan, he has started two of the most excellent Mac websites/forum groups in the history of the internet. But, as things changed with MC, things could change anywhere, even here. I sure hope they don't. I'm damn glad to have a great community like this with so many wonderful and talented individuals to share life with. <br><br>Again, I really do appreciate Stan building this place and continuing to provide it for us. Without it, we would have likely lost contact with many fine folks.<br><br>Chris<br><br><br><a href="http://www.light-imagery.com/index.html"target="_blank"></a><br><br>
Here's the deal: The original color/title changes didn't connote any type of <br>"special treatment" nor did it bring with it any special benefits or privileges.<br><br>It was done as a lark over a several day period, following a serious shake-up<br>to sort of to lighten things up. That's why only a handful of members got the<br>change, while most didn't... we were simply the only ones participating in the<br>forum during that 2-3 day (?) period.<br><br>Strange as it may seem, it was kind of a fun way the Mod had of proving his<br>presence, since prior to that, there had BEEN NO MODERATOR for YEARS!<br><br>Funny thing is, the question recently came up about, "Who is this "MOD" and<br>"If s/he were a member of the forum" and accusations of "being picked on as<br>a 'new member' for some mysterious reason" and so forth...<br><br>The odd answer being; (and don't ask me WHY the question went unanswered,<br>but rather used as a platform to launch a round of snarky BS) but the fact is;<br>WE DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW Who the Moderator ACTUALLY Is. We ASSUME it's<br>a member that hasn't participated in the last few years, and still doesn't<br>actively participate even now. There have been several broad hints as to who<br>it is, mostly due to his sense of humor. Harmless, cute, non-malicious stuff,<br> such as a title change when you're least expecting it, just to give evidence<br>that he's looking over our shoulder whenever the topic of said presence arises.<br><br>~ ~ ~ ~ ~ wavy lines ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ wavy lines ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ wavy lines ~ ~ ~ ~ ~<br><br>Following the Big Shake-Up following a troll that caused a dangerous eruption<br>so fierce that it HAD TO BE DEALT With lest the entire forum get sucked into<br>it, "someone" was sent from on high to stop the fight in it's tracks... over the <br>week that followed, the SOCK-PUPPET INCIDENT was also enacted to get things<br>back on track. (As it turned out, about a 1/4 of the members in MM were the<br>invention of 2 mean-spirited turkeys so we were glad to see that era come to<br>an end) Another shake up occurred when a mysterious member allegedly <br>complained about an innocent post, causing the Mod to take action, that resulted<br>in (IMHO) an accidental thread deletion, which AGAIN caused dissension in the<br>ranks. Grumbling, stalking off in a huff, vowing "NEVER TO RETURN!!!" etc.<br><br>Well, it was about that time that the Mod stepped forward, and while not letting<br>us know their actual identity, lightened the mood by larking around with us<br>for a few days, during which time he'd display is ability by doing the equivalent<br>of a few card tricks & tell a few jokes; by granting requests of color preference<br>and/or title changes. I asked for green and Ta-Da! was struck [color:green]GREEN</font color=green>! <br>Lea requested "Midnight Blue", Marg wanted to be "Miss Scarlet" etc. etc. <br>It was just FUN! Polymerase wanted to be "The Head JackAss" with "BabyPoo"<br>yellow... Pete wanted to become TRANSPARENT! LOLOLOL <br><br>OK... *giggle* *snort* so now you know... the colors were "No big deal" <br>but in a very real sense... they really were. It marked a warm & fuzzy moment<br>during which our little corner of the universe seemed less cold and impersonal. <br><br>And while going back to DEFAULT seems inconsequential to those that couldn't<br>fathom what was going on... well... now you know... it IS NOT & Yet IS a BIG DEAL<br>---FOR US.---<br><br> [/"3AM Rant"]<br><br><br>[color:green]"...or am I a butterfly that's dreaming she's a woman?"</font color=green> [color:green]. . . _ _ _ . . .</font color=green><br>
_________________________ . "...or am I a butterfly dreaming she's a woman?"
Thank you for your insight, Chris. And thank you for the history Celandine. These events colour and flavour a forum in a way that nobody who has not been around for them can understand. In a similar way ex-MacCentralites can mention, in a kind of verbal shorthand, the "lost weekend", or "My Borther's iMac" or, John Intx and we understand that. It is all a part of shared history.<br><br>Hopefully, as time goes by, the influx of newcomers and relative newcomers (ahem!) will blend in and develop their own mutual history alondside the others.<br><br>[color:blue]Laz, OFI[/i]<br><br>Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes? — Groucho<br>
just to add to your info:<br>a) even us recent transplants requested and got titles as recently as, what a week ago? (you mention a 2-3 day period of history [old, past], as i read it.)<br><br>b) if you are referring to my post where you wrote: ""Funny thing is, the question recently came up about, "Who is this "MOD" and<br>"If s/he were a member of the forum" and accusations of "being picked on as<br>a 'new member' for some mysterious reason" and so forth..."<br><br>reread it, i asked who are the MODERATORS, plural. i am not sure why yu believe there may only be one. <br><br>also, as per second art of that which you wrote, quoted above, but ONLY IF it is my post (linked above) that you refer, then, would you spell out the second part, this part: "accusations of "being picked on as<br>a 'new member' for some mysterious reason" and so forth..." i never read anything like that. i never wrote anything like that myself, did i? <br><br>one last friendly comment, when you start you post "Here's the deal:" well, i see no specific answers that a few were others have asked, not i. i with that beginning i expected other than speculation.<br><br>so, if you have the information, and the answer to my question above (if it fits), do tell?<br><br>none of this is criticism. i did read the entire post.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br>"fly peacock, fly."<br><br>[color:red]Libertarian Communist</font color=red>
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