<br>A few threads down, Biggerfoot published a screen shot, which showed how he hadn't visited the SoapBox for many months if not years. Some others did the same a few weeks ago, proudly trying to outdo one another in their utter disdain for that nasty section.... that rowdy Ghetto.<br><br>That would seem to be pretty poor use of real-estate. <br>And really, the current descriptions for the fora isn't correct anyway, as we have just seen with the recent Bobby Fischer thread being moved. One can NOT discuss anything in the Lounge, and the PSB is NOT only for political topics. (If those who never ever go "there" might take a look, you'll find that the range of topics is quite broad actually.)<br><br>MC was so very vibrant, because of the mix of characters and topics, because on one page, one could get informed about world affairs, read about books and movies, and still post kids' art-work as I was often wont to do.<br>There was a constant flow of ideas, which grew out of the diversity and yes, sometimes controversy. Yet, with the exception of one individual, who sometimes did use questionable language, I can't even recall a discussion, which went beyond what one would say in ....... well, a Lounge. (After all, if some people went as far as archving the entire MC site, there had to have been more to it than fanaticism, eh?)<br><br>If this side is to be free of controversy, and that, I believe, is the real aim, that's perfectly fine and understandable. But then, perhaps, the other side could become the "real" MC-Alumni section.<br><br>Give it a new name and description, something that isn't stigmatizing members and potential visitors as fanatics!<br><br>How about it folks? Nothing would be lost and a lot could be gained!<br><br> <br><br><br><br><br><br>

One can NOT discuss anything in the Lounge, and the PSB is NOT only for political topics.<br><br>this makes no sense to me. i am one like others have said in the other thread --that is, for me all you need is two forums. but as i mentioned earlier, isn't that why so many came over here way back when?<br><br>so if i've just somehow ruined your intention here with your good idea, i know not how except what has been put forth numerous times before. <br><br><insert gratuitous remark.><br><br>but as far as your quote at the top of this reply goes: why would it be, or why is it that, if i'm reading this right, the PSB is not "equal under the law" so to speak? --if i'm reading correctly.<br><br>i'm simply wishing to understand, not advocate. if you want my support, for what i'm not sure, you have it. i trust you. :)<br><br>c.f. crefbanyyl, nf sne nf hfre pbageby tbrf, erzrzore guvf nva'g zps. zps vf qrnq, trg bire vg. bx gung jnf zrna. vg'f whfg n wbxr.<br><br><br><br><br><br>"in times of peace the warlike man attacks himself."<br><br>[color:red]Libertarian Communist</font color=red>

So are you asking for a name change to MC Alumni or dropping the soap box from the name?<br><br>Personally, I don't care if the name is changed but I'm mixed about merging the 2 forums. I like the way it is now and part of me thinks that the latest wave of people from MCF just need to get used to the way things are over here. Granted, it wasn't a busy forum, but we did like it here. We had our share of bumps along the way, but just like you all did at the old MCF, we created this home.<br><br>Let me switch this around: If MM had shut down and we all went to MCF and upon entering, within a matter of weeks we started asking for changes to make MCF more like MM. What would you say then?<br><br><br><br><br>my photos

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>this makes no sense to me.<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>ichi, very little of your posts make sense to me. <br><br>Actually, it kind of reminds me of emails from my 79 year old mother: full of shortcuts that nobody understands. But she's old and on a lot of pain medications for arthritis.<br><br>my photos

Please quite trying to make MacMinute like MacCentral. This is not MacCentral and hopefully it never will never resemble the place that many of us left years ago.<br><br>Some of us LONG TIME MacMinute members left MacCentral because we did not like it there...plain and simple. <br><br>MacMinute was haven from the things we disliked about MacCentral and needs to remain that way.<br><br>I do not care if the Soapbox name changes but remember, this is not MacCentral! <br><br><br><br>_______<br>

This is why I came here from MCF and I don't really care for American politics.<br><br>I don't care if people talk about it.. As long as they don't bring it to every discussion. I can choose to not read threads I know will be arguments about issues that are domestic to the USA.<br>Yes I know these arguments all have outcomes which affect me severely but I am sure none there want to hear me whine about the way American politics treats the rest of the world.<br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Give it a new name and description<p><hr></blockquote><p> You have obviously posted this in the wrong forum. You could always make that suggestion in the Site Suggestion For.... no wait! We already know that there aren't going to be any changes so perhaps the suggestion should be that the Site Suggestion Forum be scrapped... or at least re-named but then how can that happen if there are going to be any changes? I give up.<br><br>km<br><br>

Some others did the same a few weeks ago, proudly trying to outdo one another in their utter disdain for that nasty section.... that rowdy Ghetto.<br><br>I really don't understand the compulsion to merge everything - there's *plenty* of thriving communities (Ars Technica to name one) that segregate their topics & the members seem to get along fine in that type of structured environment.<br><br>If you're looking to encourage fellow MM members to engage in political banter that's one thing, but encouraging wholesale forum changes just *isn't* going to fly with those of us who've remained here because of the current layout.<br><br>That said, I would welcome a name change for the Soapbox if you feel it would give the forum a more positive connotation.<br><br>[color:purple]Work With ____! </font color=purple>

<br>[color:blue]If MM had shut down and we all went to MCF and upon entering, within a matter of weeks we started asking for changes to make MCF more like MM. What would you say then?</font color=blue><br><br>But they did do that!<br>There was a time at MC when a number of people who spent most of their time here - among them a very vociferous husband/wife team - spearheaded the move to split the MC Lounge into a regular and political one.<br>That split was effected against the wishes of many older members, until finally, JD realized that we were able to police ourselves quite well and re-instituted the single forum.<br><br>I am not asking for ANY changes, other than a name for the Political SoapBox, which is not a priori stigmatizing.<br>The forum descriptions are a)incorrect and b) limiting.<br>What happens to a thread about genetically modified foods, which then turns into global domination of the agriculture market by a few corporations?<br>It isn't strictly a political topic, and perhaps others might also be interested. But currently, it either languishes over in the Ghetto, or it suddenly is moved somewhere else. Does that make sense?<br>There are plenty of topics like that, religion, health-care, education, and so on.... they all have social components as well as political ones, and as soon as those come out.... out the thread goes?<br><br>Wouldn't it make more sense to simply widen the definition of the place which most of you MMers don't visit anyway? I wouldn't consider that infringiung on your lives but perhaps making better used of the attic. :)<br><br><br><br><br>

<br>you get used to ichi writing in riddles ;)<br><br><br><br>