From the Rep debate.<br><br>I have to say that Ron Paul, in this element of what he says, makes perfect sense. What is scary to me is Rudy's statement that American foreign policy has nothing to do with what's going on in the Islamic world. If he really believes that he ought to check into a hospital mental ward and stay there for a long long time. My only addition is that it's not just American policy, but the set of relations that exist between the Euro-American world and the Islamic world that's at issue, although it's true that since the miserable failure of the Anglo-Franco-Israeli attempt to take the Suez Canal back in 1956, the US has been the edge of the sword.<br><br>And when Mitt says that Musharaff's government is "moderate" I'm just stunned. Sure Musharraf is "moderate," but in the same way that Pinochet's government in Chile was "moderate," simply because it fell in line with US interests. I'm not saying that the US should not pursue its interests. The task of diplomats is to convince others to do just that. But it's just dumb to say that "moderation" for people in other countries means doing what US interests dictate. It's that kind of dumb assumption that what we want must be seen by the whole world as "moderate" that gets us into diplomatic dead ends.<br><br>   
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i watched them debate and was just as shocked. in fact, i wrote this in another forum during the debate: <blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>i am really trying to figure whether they attack Ron Paul on his foreign policy positions (e.g., Iraq) because they really believe what they are saying and disagree with Ron's assessment OR whether they are sure that the base in their party is so ignorant that they honestly believe that American foreign policy has nothing to do with why we are hated in the middle east and they want to appeal to the base (even though they probably agree more with Ron than they disagree).<p><hr></blockquote><p>
Couldn't read you link<br>the beach ball wouldn't stop spinning.<br>My OS doan play nice with "Crooks & Liars"<br><br>but IMO<br>it's American Arrogance that's the sore spot<br>even among even our closest allies...<br>that *AMERICAN ARROGANCE* that's too often <br>used as a Badge of Pride by so many Americans <br>that it's quite expected *and detested* worldwide. <br>The "Swaggering Chimp" hasn't helped that image. <br><br><br><br>[color:green]"...or am I a butterfly that's dreaming she's a woman?"</font color=green> [color:green]. . . _ _ _ . . .</font color=green><br>
_________________________ . "...or am I a butterfly dreaming she's a woman?"
they can not answer that because they are as ignorant as their base, if they have a base, it's more like falling fringes.<br><br>[color:blue]ichi</font color=blue><br><br>[color:green]peace</font color=green><br><br>[color:red]in times of peace, the warlike man attacks himself.</font color=red>
Well you've had that arrogance going for you for as long as I can remember. But you've generally ignored the worlds detesting it. Funny how you notice it only during republican presidencys<br><br>I used to think it was terrible that life was unfair. Then I thought what if life were fair and all of the terrible things that happen came because we really deserved them? Now I take comfort in the general unfairness and hostility of the universe.
_________________________ I used to think it was terrible that life was unfair. Then I thought what if life were fair and all of the terrible things that happen came because we really deserved them? Now I take comfort in the general unfairness and hostility of the universe.
"If he really believes that he ought to check into a hospital mental ward and stay there for a long long time. "<br><br>TOO LATE !! He's already checked in to his mental ward... <br><br>it's called the GOP !! <br><br>just kiddin'... not all Repubs are as bad as Rudy !!<br><br>David (OFI)
you're right some are far worse. 8|<br><br>[color:blue]ichi</font color=blue><br><br>[color:green]peace</font color=green><br><br>[color:red]in times of peace, the warlike man attacks himself.</font color=red>
I'd say the most disturbing thing about the whole argument is the approach that the candidates are all taking in the information they provide. Ron Paul was using the "horses mouth" to make his point, but he would have been better served to bring up the fact that our own intelligence supports his conclusions that dabbling in other countries without reproach has inflamed the threat of terrorism against the United States.<br><br>But that's beside the point, look at how Romney and Giuliani handled it. They took the most inflammatory and nonsensical portions of common Islamic terrorist rhetoric and promoted it, even legitimatized it. In the meantime, they accused Ron Paul for soberly looking at the common terrorist grievances. So Ron Paul gets tarred as "buying into propaganda" for dispassionately looking at the issue of terrorism while Romney and Giuliani essentially co-opt the terrorist message.<br><br>Should Romney accept the nomination, I hope the Democrat who greets him in the general election can nail him for buying into the fear that terrorists seek to propagate.<br><br>-- Charlie Alpha Roger Yankee Whiskey
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