"Is that like hell freezing over?"<br><br>No, it's the Garden of Eden freezing over.<br><br>We are what we repeatedly do. -Aristotle

This list is interesting, not an argument either way, just interesting.<br><br> LIst of countries by CO2 emissions<br><br>We are what we repeatedly do. -Aristotle

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Interesting link, I wonder what shade China/India are today?<br><br><br><br>Hey I'm an F'n Jerk!®

<br>My feeling on the matter is that 1st world <br>countries have the knowledge and where <br>with all to over come the pitfalls of the past, <br>rather than sitting on it's hands blaming <br>the 3rd world nations for trying to catch <br>up in today's world.<br><br>We know how we got here, and know NOW<br>how it could have been avoided, and now<br>have the technology to find ways of avoiding<br>it from happening again. It's to OUR OWN<br>BEST INTEREST to help these people into<br>the world of solar & renewable energy,<br>instead of using them as an Excuse for not <br>making changes in our own country, and<br>theirs as well (even as I said for our own<br>self interest, if you like... being that Global <br>Pollution knows no boundries.)<br><br>Yeah, I know... it's my own damn view of the <br>world that helps each other, rather than step-<br>ping on each other chasing the all mitey buck.<br><br>duh<br><br>[color:green]"...or am I a butterfly that's dreaming she's a woman?"</font color=green> [color:green]. . . _ _ _ . . .</font color=green><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>In all seriousness .. joking aside .. you felt bad about flying?<p><hr></blockquote><p>All joking aside, yes.<br><br>I don't feel horrible about flying. It's not something I think about too much or anything that would put me on the street marching (or hassling family members either). It is something though that I think about when I think about my own environmental footprint and it informs my decisions when I vote and talk about politics. I'll probably fly again too since there is no practical alternative in my personal life to conveniently get out to California to visit my family. What is there left to do?<br><br>So it's not a crazy big deal, but it's something that I know so it's something that I should consider.<br><br>-- Charlie Alpha Roger Yankee Whiskey

Sheesh . . . Thinking about something other than yourself? What are you? A socialist?<br><br>&#63743; &#63743; &#63743; &#63743;

<br>Being aware of one's carbon footprint is the first step to <br>learning to offset the overall yearly total.<br>Contrary to the republican solution (Either all or nothing)<br>there are small painless trade-offs that allows us to live<br>in a manor to which we've become accustom, and not add to<br>the overall problem. (not crap on each other in the process) <br><br>click on the [color:green]S.O.S.</font color=green> in my sigline for a shortcut to some<br>ideas & suggestions.<br><br>[color:green]"...or am I a butterfly that's dreaming she's a woman?"</font color=green> [color:green]. . . _ _ _ . . .</font color=green><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>But the world has never had so many people before, and never had so many making such an impact; so to be on the safe side shouldn't we try doing something just in case?<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>Could that be another reason ole George went to war in Iraq, in his own way he's trying to reduce the number of people having an impact on the climate?<br><br>I used to think it was terrible that life was unfair. Then I thought what if life were fair and all of the terrible things that happen came because we really deserved them? Now I take comfort in the general unfairness and hostility of the universe.

I'm not all that short of cred in that area. I like to gloat that I almost have an incandescent-free apartment. I wear sweaters during the winter, use my own canvas shopping bags, and plan to organize a carpool program at work.<br><br>These things aren't just environmental things though. They are all purely economical. I wouldn't have been so quick to adopt CFL and LED lighting if it didn't pay off in the electric bill so quickly. My local grocery store gives me five cents off my total for every bag I bring. Splitting a carpool with one person would probably also save me at least $20 a month. You don't have to be an environmentalist to see the economical benefits of being a little more 'green'.<br><br>Similar adjustments could be made at a much larger scale, involving different technologies and save everyone money. It just takes the will of a people to make the pragmatic argument for it.<br><br>-- Charlie Alpha Roger Yankee Whiskey