What?<br><br>[color:blue]But if the point is that bad actions don't have consequences, then we may as well hang up all sense of law and order, no?</font color=blue> <-- No<br><br>[color:blue]unethical actions</font color=blue> - more of a matter of "intentional actions" The Ginger Bread Man did intentionally take advantage of the TV Store by pretending to buy such a product <-- using this product with full intention of returning said product the next day. Without paying any fees such as a rental or other but got instead a full refund. Did this Ginger Bread Man, rip off the store?? Yes most certainly since the store could not or should not sell that projector as a new item - only as an open "Boxed"" item which means who knows to the next buyer what they are buying?<br><br>Karma or other beliefs pertain to "what goes around comes around" or as "do unto others what you want them to do onto you" sorta thing. There are other saying like "Live by the sword die by the sword" <-- goes on and on.<br><br>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p> Did this Ginger Bread Man, rip off the store?? Yes most certainly since the store could not or should not sell that projector as a new item - only as an open "Boxed"" item which means who knows to the next buyer what they are buying?<p><hr></blockquote><p>I guess you don't know FutureShop - of course you wouldn't it's a Canadian company.<br><br>FutureShop sells open boxed items as new all the time. So this projector would be sold as new to the next person. I used to buy alot of stuff at FutureShop. Every item was open, inspected and then reboxed with the "FutureShop tape" across the box. <br><br>Marg's original comparison of FutureShop to BestBuy made FutureShop out to be a better company then they are. In reality they are a high pressure sales retailer than pressures you into buying their crap and then their extended warranty.<br><br>You could ask any sales person "What if I don't like the product when I take it home". They'll happily say -"return it no questions asked"<br><br>In fact when I returned the projector, there were no question asked. I just said it worked fine, I don't really need it. The sales person that sold the unit came to the return counter, inspected it and then put the "FutureShop tape" across the box. I'm sure it went back on the shelf as new.<br><br>I no longer buy big ticket items at FutureShop. Unless I plan on returning it <br><br>I started out with nothing and I still have most of it left.
i think actions do have consequences when a person is caught whether it's the law or a parent or other authority figure doing the catching, etc. actions should have consequences. in hagen's case, the consequence, as noted, is likely that prices may be raised (or policies changed) if other people commonly "rent" items under the guise of buying them and then taking them back in 15 or 30 days for a full refund. it's hard to call that wrong when the policy allows for it. in fact, i have thought about "buying" a vizio from Costco and then deciding whether it was working well enough after trying it for a week. if not, i'll return it. if it does work like i hope, i'll keep it. that's not quite the same thing, but it's still taking advantage of Costco's return policy. if the return policy didn't work, they'd most likely change it.<br><br>i don't believe in the notion of "karma" any more than you do; i prefer calling coincidences merely coincidences and nothing more . . . coincidences are often how religion is used -- e.g., "oh, thank god she her lungs healed and she didn't die of pneumonia. jesus must love her" or "the storm made me pull over at the diner and that's where i met my future wife - it's all part of the lord's plan" while never hearing, "that little girl called a classmate a name once 3 years ago, so it's no wonder she got hit by a car and died." <br><br><br><br>
OK then. No karma, but consequences.<br><br>edit: Not to hijack the thread (but what the heck, eh?): what do you think about moral absolutes? Are there invariant laws/rules/mores that apply across cultures/societies/historical contexts? Not entirely an innocent question on my part since I'm working up to write a paper on that same question in regards to Shakespeare.<br><br>   <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by yoyo52 on 12/31/07 01:23 AM (server time).</EM></FONT></P>
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"in fact, i have thought about "buying" a vizio from Costco and then deciding whether it was working well enough after trying it for a week."<br><br>You should. Costco has an insane return policy on their computers. 90 days return it no questions asked.<br><br>I think that policy is insane. But that's their policy and their way of doing business.<br><br>FutureShop, Costco and the Home Depot. All have insane and very liberal return policies. They make a lot of money with this policy - it's their way of making themselves different from the competition and why people buy from them, because it's no risk.<br><br>And if you return it, you can feel good about employing all those people behind the return counter <br><br>I started out with nothing and I still have most of it left.
So I have two more FutureShop stories to tell<br><br>-------------------------------------<br><br>We edited the wedding video for one the weddings we attended this year. The last step was to burn the DVDs. We fell short 6 DVDs and needed to buy some more. Unfortunately for some reason we ended up buying a box of 10 DVDs from FutureShop. 5 of the DVDs were coasters. We were 1 DVD short now.<br><br>Being smarter we went to the Apple reseller and bought better quality DVDs to burn the last DVD.<br><br>I returned the 5 coasters, in the original box and got a full refund from FutureShop. I don't feel bad, they shouldn't sell crap and they wasted our time with their crappy product.<br><br>--------------------------------------<br><br>We went out shopping for some Wii games. Unfortunately, all the stores we went too were out of stock on some of the games (it's just after xmas). So we find ourselves at the FutureShop. Out the blue Guitar Hero III is being placed on display for the Wii.<br><br>I made the mistake of saying - "Hey GH III is available for the Wii now"<br><br>It took the sales person two minutes into his sales pitch to try to sell me on the extended warranty. I didn't even want to buy the product, yet, I know now that I can buy an extended 1 year warranty on Guitar Hero III for only $14.95.<br><br>--------------------------------------<br><br>The only place worse then FutureShop is "The Brick". Any Canuck here will attest to The Brick as being the most annoying furniture store to set foot in.<br><br>I started out with nothing and I still have most of it left.
No, I don't think they deserved what happened to them at all. What happened to them was horrible. I agree that what I said sounded that way. I'm taking a course in communication this coming semester. I think I need it! LOL... <br><br>
#331998 - 12/31/0702:54 AMRe: Funny, sad and true.
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Are there invariant laws/rules/mores that apply across cultures/societies/historical contexts?<p><hr></blockquote><p>"A human being is part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty. The true value of a human being is determined by the measure and the sense in which they have obtained liberation from the self. We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if humanity is to survive." (Albert Einstein)<br><br>
I made the mistake of going to the Brick when furniture shopping for the condo. I looked around for about 10 minutes with a sales guy clinging on then got the heck out. They don't sell anything that isn't made in China. I'm on an "anywhere but China" kick so places like that are out of the question. The sales staff at Leons and Sears aren't much better but at least there is a selection of better furniture.<br><br>
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