I'll ask my wife if there are any Egyptians in Egypt when she gets back from Cairo tomorrow night. As for the camels, I got an e-mail of her sitting on a camel and I don't think it was the only one left. <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
My point (again) was to stop taking my <br>illustrative shorthand metaphors literally.<br><br>YES! THERE ARE AT LEAST TWO CAMELS IN EGYPT<br>What I MEANT was that; although they may still have a country<br>it is by no stretch of the imagination, the world power (GREAT CIVILIZATION)it once was.<br><br>[color:green]"...or am I a butterfly that's dreaming she's a woman?"</font color=green> [color:green]. . . _ _ _ . . .</font color=green><br>
Yes, of course, Egyptians had a civilization, as did the Hittites and the Sumerians, and so on and so on. But I would argue that the same thing happened to the Egyptian civilization that happened to the Aztecs. In their case the "Mars" that attacked was Alexander, and Egypt simply merged into the syncretistic Hellenism of the eastern Mediterranean. Obviously Greek culture defined Egypt from Alexander onwards, but it's also absolutely true that Egyptian culture affected Greece tremendously, not just in art, although all you have to do is look at one of the very early Greek kouros, like this one, to see the Egyptian influence:<br><br><br><br>The same kind of thing happens in Mexico, by the way. Aztec culture doesn't disappear, but rather is incorporated into the new culture that is produced as the native and the Spanish population merge.<br><br>Anyway, my sense is that the whole of the levant in ancient times (3rd and 2nd millenniums BCE) is one constantly changing single "civilization," with different nations taking the lead at different times. That comes to an apparent end with the rise of the Greek city states, in large part because they want to distinguish themselves from the barbaroi around them and so create a myth of the fundamental difference of their "civilization" from everything else in the area. But then there also is some evidence that the Danaans, the "original" founders of Hellenic Greece (interestingly, the name comes from Danaus, the legendary founder of Argos in the Peloponnese; his brother was the equally legendary Aegyptus, founder of Egypt . . . at least as far as the Greeks were concerned; the Egyptians themselves had different myths of origins)--anyway, the peoples who are associated with the Danaans seem to come into the Balkans and so into Greece from the steppes of what's now the ex-Soviet republics, including Russia itself--the same areas from where, in the 1st millennium CE the Germanic "invaders" also come. But while they bring some very important innovations, the Danaans also absorb the culture that already existed in the eastern Mediterranean, as is easy to see from Greek mythology, which takes up the general mythology of the area, giving new names to old gods and goddesses.<br><br>So does Egyptian civilization disappear? I would say absolutely maybe <br><br>   
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Not to drag this on (but what the heck . . . I'm very interested in this stuff), a lot of people do not consider it a coincidence of nomenclature that the legendary founders of Ireland are called the Tuatha dé Dannan, the Children of the goddess Danu. I guess an extreme version of the identity of the Celtic and the Hellenic tribes is Robert Graves's The White Goddess.<br><br>   
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LOL You're getting better at this! <br>Now that was VERY Clever AND FUNNY!<br><br>Now aren't U glad U didn't settle 4 silly?<br><br><br><br>[color:green]"...or am I a butterfly that's dreaming she's a woman?"</font color=green> [color:green]. . . _ _ _ . . .</font color=green><br>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p><br>So does Egyptian civilization disappear? I would say absolutely maybe <p><hr></blockquote><p>Well my daughter and I spent the day at the Boston Museum of Fine Arts and she (being 12) was more than willing to show me what she had learned on her school trip to the museum last week. It was an eye opener. I always thought the wings that had the Egyptian stuff was just all mummies but she explained all the assyrian and mesopotamian and all these people who lived in the area. <br><br>One thing she showed me was the oldest artifact in the museum. In the corner is this cup made to look like a rabbit. Looks like anyone could have made it recently but it was carved from stone in Egypt 6,500 years ago. <br><br>That civilization did not disappear. But I will check tonight to make sure. <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
Gee, and here I was thinking that 'the MARS ATTACK' <br>was like 'raining frogs'... ...er' sumpthin'<br><br><br><br>[color:green]"...or am I a butterfly that's dreaming she's a woman?"</font color=green> [color:green]. . . _ _ _ . . .</font color=green><br>
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