<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>I'm not really interested in an "upgrade-type" disc that only works if you already have a full install of Tiger on the drive. I'll want the complete package.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Apple hasn't shipped an "upgrade-type disc" since OSX shipped. Every release disc made since has been a full install disc. None have required a previous installation of ANY OS, let alone the previous one. <br><br>Further, the discs that ship with a computer are actually the same discs you get in the box, only with a different label on them - and of course they include iLife and the freebie apps. But the OS is exactly the same. The "enabler" files that used to be shipped with individual machines died with OS9 (thankfully).<br><br>So, you need not worry about how you get the disc (retail vs. machine install discs) with OSX. However, I will say that it is nice to buy the retail (boxed) OS because then you have a copy of each OS and you can drop down a version if you wish for compatibility with existing apps, etc.<br><br>CreativeGuy for daily tips, tricks and commentary on all things graphic design.

Thanks for clearing that up but it doesn't change any thing for me. I'll still buy the retail version to add to my collection of cats...<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>M i c h a e l (OFI)

Welll, G4 .........<br><br>aint that the "Cat's Meow "!! <br><br><br>UPDATE: got the 3 Gb of RAM installed, and just got the Radeon XT 800 Video Card today (surprise) ..... sweet !!<br><br>now just waiting for the 750 Gb HD.<br><br>can you believe the 26th ?? sounds good to me !!<br><br>David (OFI)

Great!<br><br>I received my Elgato Hybrid today. Unfortunately it doesn't work with my G4 even with the Sonnet Tempo Trio installed, which boasts USB 2.0. I'm sure I'll have better luck with the iMac.<br><br>From all the rumors going around the internet today, I imagine Leopard is going to add much more value to our computing experience than is inherent in just the computer alone.<br><br>I may have to see about getting an &#63743;TV.<br><br><br>M i c h a e l (OFI)

I would like to have one of those Elgato Hybrids. Please let me know how it works for you.<br><br>I have an &#63743;TV and I can tell you that I love having it!<br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Apple hasn't shipped an "upgrade-type disc" since OSX shipped. Every release disc made since has been a full install disc. None have required a previous installation of ANY OS, let alone the previous one. <p><hr></blockquote><p>Nope, that is not true. <br><br>They did that with Panther when I bought my G5, and I can verify it. I still have the disk and it required that I had the previous system already loaded or it simply wouldn't install Panther. A blank disk resulted in a huge red exclamation mark.<br><br>Here is just one of a couple threads where I was bitching about it.<br><br><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Trog on 10/05/07 07:54 PM (server time).</EM></FONT></P>

Here we go with the full bitchiness. Looks like it perplexed you back then too. <br><br>

I have that upgrade disk. Came with my powermac G5 too.<br><br>

Well, I'm still perplexed. Cause I used my G5 install discs to install OSX Panther on my G3 iBook, G4 tower and the G5 - none of which had anything at all installed on the HD at the time. The reason I was using the G5 disc instead of the Retail Panther disc was because I wanted the little "extra" apps that come with a machine vs. the retail OS discs.<br><br>CreativeGuy for daily tips, tricks and commentary on all things graphic design.

That's because you bought your G5 after Panther was released. John and I got the first ones that shipped with Jag-wire, and so we received "upgrade" disks at reduced price (and functionality, apparently).<br><br>By the way, just because I think its relevant here, the disks that come with machines are often set to load only for that machine as well. For example, the Tiger install disks that came with my Mac Pro will not load Tiger onto my Macbook Pro. It gives me an error when the installer comes up stating it is for the wrong machine. I get around that by using the parent machine to run the disk and booting the installation machine into firewire mode. Suck it, Apple.<br><br>As for why I would ever want to do that, the Macbook Pro is actually owned by the school and they won't give me the install DVDs. Suck it, school.<br>